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Patrick Martin

05-21-2007 20:45:34




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....is it bad to leave the discs down when you make a turn?

I was discing my garden patch today and just puréeing it in no particular order runing up and down, crossways, and doing big figure eights. While I was doing one of my figure eights one of the farmers up the road was driving down my dirt road and pulled over into my drive, flagged me down and told me that I'll ruin the discs if I turn with them and that I should only disc parallel to my rows. He was very polite and was only trying to give some helpful advice. I enjoyed meeting a new "neighbor" even though he is 5 miles down the road. :)

Is he right? Should I not be turning while I disc?

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Brownie450

05-22-2007 17:27:00




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 Re: When you disc...........???? in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-21-2007 20:45:34  
The neighbor down the road was discing up a patch of sod with a 470 18 foot disc with the wings up. Ended up at the first corner with the hitch broken on one side where it attaches to the disc. Soooo- I've never turned without raising the disc most of the way out of the ground. Where did you get your good judgment? From my bad judgment.



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moseed

05-22-2007 06:37:19




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 Re: When you disc...........???? in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-21-2007 20:45:34  
Patrick,
It's a good idea to have somewhat straight runs as that will allow the disc to be as efficient as it can be. During turns it is not cutting as designed whether a cross disc (no significant dead furrow) or an offset (creates dead furrow)If your lands are large you'll want to pick up and or close it on the turns because repeated running over the same ground on the head lands (turn area at end of field)will pulverize the soil there and create a whole new set of problems. As far as a garden is concerned I don't think it matters to much if it's a smallish area whether you disc it one way or another.
Hope your garden turns out well!

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Hugh MacKay

05-22-2007 02:43:30




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 Re: When you disc...........???? in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-21-2007 20:45:34  
Patrick: Drag disks it didn't hurt a thing, in fact it was almost necessary unless you felt inclined get off tractor and pick them up by hand.

Mounted disks are impossible for any more than gradual curves or steering corrections, and they will break.

Trailing wheel controlled disks, always best to lift or at least lighten the cut. I don't know as it hurts the disk all that much, but they sure pile soil on short turns.

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Patrick Martin

05-22-2007 03:24:43




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 Re: When you disc...........???? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-22-2007 02:43:30  
Well I don't know what they would be called exactly Hug? They are a set that are about as wide as my 100 and each assembly of discs canted in a bit. I didn't start turning with them until I pretty much chewed up the ground and got everything loose. I think I tried turning with them once or twice but it was nearly impossible unless I picked them up a bit so for the first 4 runs or so I just went parralel to the rows or intersected them each time lifting them out just as I got to the edge of the garden. After I chopped it in chunks I started having fun and cutting doughnuts and eights in the middle and corners just to get the chunks chopped up fine. That was pretty much all I did until the guy came and talked to me.

Hmmmmm? Maybe I should have used a bottom plow instead of the discs? Would that have been better to get all of the roots and stuff down?????

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Nat 2

05-22-2007 06:24:23




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 Re: When you disc...........???? in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-22-2007 03:24:43  
Drag disc harrow: No wheels, attached to the tractor with a clevis and pin. There is no way to lift the discs off the ground for transport or turning. For transport, the disc gangs are straightened out and the whole rig rolls along on its discs.

Transport disc harrow: Has wheels and a hydraulic cylinder to lift the discs off the ground.

Mounted disc harrow: Is mounted directly to the tractor via 3pt, Fast Hitch, or other mounting system and is lifted by the tractor.

With a 100, you probably have a mounted disc.

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georgeky

05-21-2007 21:41:57




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 Re: When you disc...........???? in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-21-2007 20:45:34  
Yes for all but drag disk. If wheel harrows or 3 point lift type are in the ground they are not flexible. They can make gradual turns following the lay of the land, but don't try to turn on end of field or any sharp turns with them. This can cause damage to axles and disk while turning as well as other things too. You should thank your neighbor for trying to help.



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Tallperson

05-21-2007 20:51:23




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 Re: When you disc...........???? in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-21-2007 20:45:34  
Are you using a pull behind or a three point mount...? Turning with a 3-pt. mounted disc buried deep is going to be pretty hard on the arms and mounting hardware... A pull behind is less of an issue since it can pivot instead of being pushed sideways through the soil. Tallperson



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Patrick Martin

05-21-2007 22:12:46




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 Re: When you disc...........???? in reply to Tallperson, 05-21-2007 20:51:23  
Thanks guys! :)

I did thank him and pulled one direction and lifted them when I made turns afterward. I was just curious to see what all of you would say about this and if it was more or less of an issue than he stressed. The set of discs I am using are a 3pt set that Mr. Ken on this forum so graciously let me have. They have been a God send and for sure I don't want to screw them up.



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