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Standards ARE NOT Farmalls

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55 50

06-06-2007 21:13:56




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I see it again and again. The latest is a W9 on the Photo Ads called a Farmall. I guess IH really did an "indoctrination job" on many people with their useage of the Farmall name on their row crop tractors. Even with the name on the side of the hood saying only McCormick or McCormick Deering, people still call the standards Farmalls when they are not. And usually each time I mention this I get blasted quite a lot, but what the heck, I"ve got thick skin

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Farmall MD nut

06-07-2007 15:46:06




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to 55 50, 06-06-2007 21:13:56  
If it's not Farmall, then Mercury isn't Ford, oldsmobile isn't GM, Lincoln isn't Ford, Buick isn't GM and so on.



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Hugh Mackay

06-07-2007 17:42:55




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to Farmall MD nut, 06-07-2007 15:46:06  
MD nut: However the reverse is not so; a Ford is not necessarily a Mercury or a Lincoln, GM is not necessarily an Olds or a Buick and IH is not necessarily a Farmall.

To guys that farmed all their lives mostly with Farmalls there is a huge difference. My dad started off in 38 with a Fordson, said it didn't help the horses, but rather created work for the horses tow starting it. He traded that off for a new W4 in 42, and thought what a great tractor, but it wouldn't hold a candle to the new H he bought in 51. In fact the lowly little Farmall 130 he bought in 58 would match the W4 anyday. Two jobs I remember was 130 bu manure spreader and two bottom plow, 130 was quite a match for the W4 in the field.

If you look at the years from 54 through to 62, those Utilities were bought by folks too old and crippled to climb on a Farmall, and for the most part were farming very small acerage. In my area the farmer that had a lot of acres to cover bought a Farmall, without exception.

Yes, I can agree with the guy that started this thread, IH put the name FARMALL on those row crops for a reason. The rest of the line up were not worthy of the same. In my opinion, if one can not properly identfy the tractor he is not capable of intelligent discussion. Quite frankly, I never bother with those guys. Then you have the guys advertising tractors for sale. A Farmall W series is false advertising.

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Rusty Davis

06-09-2007 04:20:32




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to Hugh Mackay, 06-07-2007 17:42:55  
Hugh, I pretty much agree with your reply, but with one exception.... Not "worthy"? I have a Farmall HV...Pretty much worhtless as far as "using" it, but it is a Farmall. My International 300, 340, and 350D are very "worthy" tractors. I have no problems plowing, blading, mowing, or just a Sunday drive. Those little Internationals were very valuable in the industrial side of the market and as you state smaller farming operations, and extremely large operations in the Wheatlands, as well as competing with Ford and Ferguson, who produced more utilities than about any other manufacture had produced total tractors.
I agree with large farming operations using the bigger, taller, row-crop tractors, but just because it has a different use in mind, doesn't make it less "worthy". And I do own a H, 300, 350, and a M Farmall.

I don't usually get involved with spats, but it is America and I just disagree with this comment. Thanks, Rusty AKA "PerryCountyFarmalls"

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Hugh MacKay

06-09-2007 05:28:54




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to Rusty Davis, 06-09-2007 04:20:32  
Rusty: You do have a good point, all these various tractor configurations were built with specific job in mind. I probably should have used the words, "not worthy of row crop farming".

For example your point about V or high crop tractors, no question they were very job specific. I can't imagine baling hay with one. I know on my own farm, I sometimes wished I had a utility type tractor, especially around those older low ceiling barns. I guess I cured that one when I went to skid steer loaders. But then my 45 hp skidsteer soon pointed out to me, that my Farmall 560 with 2000 loader was not a very worthy loader tractor.

For 30 years my dad and I used farm tractors in our 500 acre woodlot, started of with W4 then H, 300 and 560. This worked well as long as we were the principle operators, however by the late 60s and ever increasing hired operators, work place safety regulators were frowning on tractors operated by hired help in the bush. I went to a John Deere articulated forestry skidder for use in the bush. What I soon discovered was that articulated vehicles were far superior to conventional tractors on heavy tillage equipment like plows, disks and cultivators.

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Rusty Davis

06-09-2007 13:05:18




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-09-2007 05:28:54  
Hugh,

Well put! You are far more experienced than I at this stuff and I was meaning no disrepect, just my 2cents. Thanks again...

Bailing with an HV...That'd be fun....lol

Rusty



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Harold H

06-07-2007 17:49:49




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to Hugh Mackay, 06-07-2007 17:42:55  
Hugh,

I am in 100% agreement with you. A standard wheel type tractor is definitely not a Farmall.

Harold H



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Andy Motteberg

06-07-2007 14:17:26




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 Re: Standards ARE Farmalls in reply to 55 50, 06-06-2007 21:13:56  
They are Farmalls because they were made by Farmall (McCormick, McCormick Deering, International, International or what ever, its still a Farmall.



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Lets not forget........

06-07-2007 18:50:49




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 Re: Standards ARE Farmalls in reply to Andy Motteberg, 06-07-2007 14:17:26  
they made a Super HTA too!



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The Dukester

06-07-2007 18:37:13




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 Re: Standards ARE Farmalls in reply to Andy Motteberg, 06-07-2007 14:17:26  
No Andy, that ain't the way it was. The International Harvester Company built Farmall row crop tractors, McCormick-
Deering and McCormick Standard or Wheatland tractors, International Utility tractors, International TracTractors which were tracklayers, and International Industrial tractors. Later on it did get confusing when Dear Old IH put INTERNATIONAL on the big nameplate and FARMALL on the little model identifying plaque and the tractors you most often saw had widefronts(adjustable width type) sort of like a like a Standard....but, on most of them you could still get a narrow front if you wanted it. By then they wern't using the McCormick name on anything. Hope this helps.

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CNKS

06-07-2007 18:13:00




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 Re: Standards ARE Farmalls in reply to Andy Motteberg, 06-07-2007 14:17:26  
Andy, How old are you? -- you really need to read up on IH history, then you will know what the rest of us are talking about. The name Farmall means what it says Farm ALL. It is a row crop tractor, that is, a tractor suited for cultivation that will pull tillage implements, that is, it will do everything related to crops on a farm. Standard tractors are tillage tractors only, you cannot cultivate with them. International Harvestor was a company. Farmall, McCormick Deering, McCormick, and International were products made be that company.

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Harold H

06-07-2007 17:53:45




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 Re: Standards ARE Farmalls in reply to Andy Motteberg, 06-07-2007 14:17:26  
Farmall's were made by International Harvester Company. McCormick's, McCormick Deering's, and International's were also made by International Harvester Company, not Farmall Company.

Harold H



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Hugh MacKay

06-07-2007 17:45:37




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 Re: Standards ARE Farmalls in reply to Andy Motteberg, 06-07-2007 14:17:26  
Andy: Bullfeathers



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Wardner

06-07-2007 09:35:57




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to 55 50, 06-06-2007 21:13:56  
third party image

This Farmall has an IPTO (Incredibilly Fast Power Take-off).



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Nat 2

06-07-2007 09:29:37




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to 55 50, 06-06-2007 21:13:56  
I love all this, "well if you don't have anything better to complain about..." crap coming from the fingers of the same kind of people who get their underpants in a bunch over some impure Farmall like a Super HTA. Fellas, you can't have it both ways. Either complain about Super HTAs AND people calling International wheatland tractors Farmalls, or don't complain about anything at all.



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Brian in NY

06-07-2007 07:51:54




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to 55 50, 06-06-2007 21:13:56  
You're right. I am sure that's what you really want to hear.

That said, to a bunch of Farmall guys sitting around talking about tractors, a McC/D W9/W6/W4 qualifies as a Farmall in the general sense of the word even if it isn't 100% correct.



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The Dukester

06-07-2007 18:47:00




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to Brian in NY, 06-07-2007 07:51:54  
No Friend, they're all INTERNATIONAL HARVESTER built, but each type has it's own catagorical name. That's one of the especially good things about IH built tractors.



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Nawlens_Gator

06-07-2007 07:08:05




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to 55 50, 06-06-2007 21:13:56  

I've got a Honda generator that's red. I believe it's a Farmall.



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JohnM

06-07-2007 03:21:18




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to 55 50, 06-06-2007 21:13:56  
Im not blasting, just want to know why this bothers you? Everyone apparently knows what it is, whether it says Farmall, McCormick Deering, McCormick, or International. I believe I can speak for others when I say its not that big of a deal, and if this is all you have to get upset about, then youve got it made buddy!



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Wardner

06-06-2007 23:39:23




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to 55 50, 06-06-2007 21:13:56  
How come my 650 and 660 have fast hitches? I'm still looking for a FWA narrow front for the 650.



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georgeky

06-06-2007 22:03:23




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to 55 50, 06-06-2007 21:13:56  
I have a Farmall M1 Garand rifle.



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P Backus

06-06-2007 21:32:57




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to 55 50, 06-06-2007 21:13:56  
And don"t forget all the Farmall trucks!

Paul



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jonnnny2006

06-06-2007 21:27:20




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to 55 50, 06-06-2007 21:13:56  
are the fridges they made farmalls?



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Frumpadump

06-07-2007 06:14:12




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to jonnnny2006, 06-06-2007 21:27:20  
No, they are not red.



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Nebraska Cowman

06-07-2007 17:50:33




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to Frumpadump, 06-07-2007 06:14:12  
You ain't been payin' attention

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John M

06-07-2007 18:45:44




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 06-07-2007 17:50:33  
You should see Sam now! Hes growing like a weed. Last year, at a local show while talking with Kevin, Sam came by and I believe at that time he could top it dot on the "i". Maybe Ill see him this weekend, Id bet hes as tall as the fridge now.



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georgeky

06-07-2007 11:28:54




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to Frumpadump, 06-07-2007 06:14:12  
Actually there was color kits for the fridges. You could make them up to suit you. Stripes,flowers and what have you.



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Tim...Ok

06-07-2007 07:05:06




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to Frumpadump, 06-07-2007 06:14:12  
the fridges are white demonstators :)

Tim



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Bob Kerr

06-07-2007 07:10:35




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 Re: Standards ARE NOT Farmalls in reply to Tim...Ok, 06-07-2007 07:05:06  
RUMOR has it..... the white farmalls were the first tractors with air conditioning. you had to order the electrall unit, put the IH fridge on a trailer and run ductwork up to the seat. hehehehehe!



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