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Soop

06-21-2007 14:13:38




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I am looking at purchasing a tractor that has been sitting for the last 1 and half years that has the clutch out. It is a farmall 460 gas. When I checked the oil, it was very high and looked like it had water in it. At the time there was a cap on the muffler. Battery was dead, so it would not turnover.....

Should I run the other way? what might I expect to get into, repair wise? What might it be worth?

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old

06-21-2007 14:50:06




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 Re: water in oil in reply to Soop, 06-21-2007 14:13:38  
First thing to do is make sure the engine isn't locked up. If it is then it still maybe a simple fix/unstuck job or it could be a total engine rebuild. If its locked up then you better run from it unless you can get it for say $150-400 and the $400 is if it has real good rear tires on it. When you get one thats locked up you have about a 50/50 chance you can get it freed up with out pulling it all apart. BTDT many times and so far out of 20 plus that have been locked up I have got all but 2 back up and running with out haveing to open them up and one of them is now just a parts tractor

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jonnny2006

06-21-2007 14:42:36




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 Re: water in oil in reply to Soop, 06-21-2007 14:13:38  
the one million dollar question "whats it worth" it is worth what ever your willing to pay and be happy with..... just because it has a rain cap dosent mean water dint get in. if the wind picks up it will blow the cap open and water gets in. the rain caps are made for short term. make sure it is not stuck. if it is it will be a major job. but if the rest is in good shape and you know how to over haul a engine might not be so bad. water in oil will look like cream or white mixed in. you need to ask yourself how bad do i want this? can i fixit myself? shop labor is spendy and adds up quick.

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Farmall MD nut

06-21-2007 15:35:57




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 Re: water in oil in reply to jonnny2006, 06-21-2007 14:42:36  
It will only look milky white if the engine was running, he said it was not. Water and oil won't mix until stirred. Best way to check for water is to open the bottom plug. If there is water in it it will come out first, cause the water goes to the bottom.

Same goes for trans and differential. If there is water in it it'll be at the bottom and come out first. Doug



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K-Mo

06-21-2007 14:40:17




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 Re: water in oil in reply to Soop, 06-21-2007 14:13:38  
I don't think a 460 with a stuck engine and no clutch would be worth much. Add the cost of a new engine, a new clutch, refacing the flywheel add another $200-300 for misc. What about tires. Tires could be another $600. What about the TA?
Bottom line is, what is it worth to you?

K-Mo



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A. Bohemian

06-21-2007 18:20:43




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 Yes, There Are Two Paths You Can Go By... in reply to K-Mo, 06-21-2007 14:40:17  
"...but in the long run..."

Quote: "...should I run...?"

It depends on what you want. If you have a farm, ranch, or other property to run and you're going to need to use the tractor soon, I'd look elsewhere.

My normal contention is that if the owner says something along the lines of, "It runs but I can't start it (or turn it over) right now because...," it usually DOESN'T run.

As an example, consider the statement, "Battery was dead, so it would not turnover....."

Why didn't he just jump start it? Even if it's six volts, it can easily and safely be jumped from any 12 volt car long enough to determine if the motor will turn over!

All of the above assumes, though, that you want to use this tractor sometime soon. If you don't mind a project, it could be okay; but your level of mechanical expertise enters into the question of whether this is a good project for you personally.

Here are some things to look for when looking at a tractor that has been sitting a while outside:

Ignition components. If they show signs of weathering, they may need to be replaced. Check the wires for cracking and discoloration. The points will probably need to be replaced in any event.

Rust in the fuel system. Another common problem resulting from outdoor storage.

Pull the drain plug, or the fuel line and look for good fuel flow, a stream about the diameter of the line. Let it run through for a good long while. Look for flakes of rust in the bottom of the gas tank. Means the tank will have to be replaced/reconditioned.

And, find out FOR YOURSELF if it will turn over. There is a big difference between resuscitating a stuck engine and one that's free.

One hears lots of stories of tractors that were stuck and ran well after judicious use of MMO and a tuneup, but STATISTICALLY speaking most stuck tractors need a rebuild to be reliable farming machines again.

And, I got flamed the last time I mentioned this to a potential tractor buyer, but if the motor WILL turn over, check the compression. You can at least listening to pistons go past top dead center on the compression stroke. They should all do so evenly, all making the same amount of noise. A noise like, "UH-UH-UH-(whiff!) -UH-UH-UH-(whiff!)" can mean a stuck valve or worse.

Good luck.

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