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Alabama

03-06-2002 09:34:32




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I got hit pretty hard this year with taxes. I don't farm for a living but do own enough land to have a hobby farm. I need a tax write off next year. I plan on building a house on my land but in the mean time I can not deduct the land expense nor any tractor parts I buy. Has anyone re-built a tractor and claimed it as an expense paid out by the farm? Could I get away with putting a crop on the land and claiming all expenses out there as farm expenses? I'm thinking yes, but I would appreciate anyone with experience in this to comment.

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Tom T.

03-07-2002 04:48:04




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 Re: Taxes and Tractors in reply to Alabama, 03-06-2002 09:34:32  
The post below about making money 3 out of 5 years is not correct. I had gross receipts of $170,000 last year and did not show a profit and have not for 7 years. You have to understand that it is a shell game that you are playing with the Govt. but you have to play by their rules. They provide plenty of ways to help yourself though if you have a competent CPA. One of the keys is as mentioned in an earlier post, the dreaded bookkeeping of every thing. I actually have managed to survive for the past 7 years and plan on continuing to survive.

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Hobby Farm

03-07-2002 08:09:58




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 Re: Re: Taxes and Tractors in reply to Tom T., 03-07-2002 04:48:04  
Your stipulation about not needing to show a profit 3 of 5 years is incorrect when dealing with a hobby level farm. With a $170,000 gross income you would not meet the criteria to be considered a hobby farm.



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Greg

03-06-2002 21:57:12




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 Re: Taxes and Tractors in reply to Alabama, 03-06-2002 09:34:32  
Here is an excerpt from the IRS web page, IRS.GOV.

Generally, a hobby is an activity that is carried on for personal pleasure or recreation. It is not an activity entered into with the intention of making a profit. In determining whether you are carrying on an activity for profit, all the facts are taken into account. No one factor alone is decisive. Among the factors to consider are whether:

You carry on the activity in a businesslike manner The time and effort you put into the activity indicate you intend to make it profitable You depend on income from the activity for your livelihood Your losses are due to circumstances beyond your control (or are normal in the startup phase of your type of business) You change your methods of operation in an attempt to improve profitability You, or your advisors, have the knowledge needed to carry on the activity as a successful business You were successful in making a profit in similar activities in the past The activity makes a profit in some years, and how much profit it makes You can expect to make a future profit from the appreciation of the assets used in the activity The importance of knowing whether you are involved in an activity for profit or as a hobby is that the amount of expenses you can deduct if the activity is a hobby are limited to the amount of income from the same activity.

References:
Publication 535, Business Expenses

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caseman-d

03-06-2002 19:53:12




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 Re: Taxes and Tractors in reply to Alabama, 03-06-2002 09:34:32  
Never call it a hobby farm. If it's just a farm then you can deduct lots of your expenses. Just make sure you have a good tax person.
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ralph

03-06-2002 18:25:11




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 Re: Taxes and Tractors in reply to Alabama, 03-06-2002 09:34:32  
Alabama: Do not forget taxes when selling. I've owned over 30 properties and some went up in value a lot over 10-20 years and unless you keep track of EVERY expense while you own it, you'll end up paying a lot more tax after selling then you should. Keep a log book and receipts.(yes,I know it's a pain to do book keeping but..) Good luck. R.



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Hobby Farm

03-06-2002 16:54:36




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 Re: Taxes and Tractors in reply to Alabama, 03-06-2002 09:34:32  
I can't say where I got my information or who I am, BUT. You must have income to take a tax deduction. You must make money 3 of 5 years. If you do not meet these criteria you are considered a section 185 hobby farm and must file any income on the front of your 1040 and take deductions on schedule A. All I can really say is that you would be on very thin ice if you tried to file a schedule F.



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The Red

03-06-2002 11:54:07




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 Re: Taxes and Tractors in reply to Alabama, 03-06-2002 09:34:32  
My accountant and I went over this subject thoroughly back in 1990 when I bought a portion of the family farm. Since I cash rent, we deduct expenses using the rental forms. Since the cash rent is very depressed due to the markets, I am running a small loss right now each year. I wouldn't be surprised if the loss will be disallowed somewhere in the future. I deduct 50% of my 2 Hs for farm use and deduct 100% of the M for farm use. We are keeping the tractor count, for tax purposes, at a maximum of 3 due to the limited number of acres that are planted. Make sure you get professional advice from your local accountant on this subject!!!

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Glenn(WV)

03-06-2002 11:29:40




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 Re: Taxes and Tractors in reply to Alabama, 03-06-2002 09:34:32  
It probably depends on your local tax laws. You might want to talk to an accountant or tax lawyer.



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Jo Wisconsin

03-06-2002 09:58:17




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 Re: Taxes and Tractors in reply to Alabama, 03-06-2002 09:34:32  
Our tax laws allow $25,000 to be deducted . BUT must make money 1 out of 5 years or it WILL trigger an audit . most of my exp. are depreciated meaning 1/2 deducted first year and 1/2 deducted 5 years later . I go to a tax man that only works with the farmers . I suggest to find one in your area . Had a relitive grow a crop , but the IRS sucked him dry , was better off to pay the tax (think it was North D.)

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