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Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch?

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Sean Brinston

12-14-2002 18:30:13

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How exactly does this work, where is the clutch located? How much does it run roughly? I would be putting it on my H,. Any info on them would be great. thanks

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Now for none sale pitch--Kelly C

12-14-2002 19:01:13

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Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Sean Brinston, 12-14-2002 18:30:13

It replaces the left hand brake assembly.
You do need to get into the transmision to install.
Remove bull gear, LH rear axel carrier to slide axel out.
Ok its a lot of work, but dont let that deswade you. When I get done with mine ( I have one for my H) I will have step by step photos on my web site.
Ones for the H are hard to find. I paid $300 for mine. The clutch disk are real real hard to find.
M&W has them for the M but not the H.
I will find some though.
You can check out my web site I have some photos of the clutch on there.

My Farmall H web site

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bob

12-14-2002 19:23:50

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Re: Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Now for none sale pitch--Kelly C, 12-14-2002 19:01:13

back in the olden days it was the job of the man or boy that raked the hay to have enough fore thought as to not make the windrows to big as so the baler man would not chase him off the farm if he had to kick it out of gear to many times.

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Sean

12-14-2002 19:10:26

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Re: Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Now for none sale pitch--Kelly C, 12-14-2002 19:01:13

How did they do hay back in the day without a live pto?

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Jon from Indiana

12-15-2002 20:29:52

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Re: Re: Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Sean, 12-14-2002 19:10:26

Before live hyd. you stated the baler or combine with trans mission out of gear. When you had the pto at speed you push in clutch and speed shifted and started in a smooth motion as possible, fact it could be done. Later on we bought an overriding cluth that went on the pto and worked like a ratchit wrench. When you had the pto up to speed you push in the clutch and it started clicking as it worked till you put tractor in gear and could start much smoother. Jon

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Dr. EVIL

12-15-2002 18:39:55

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Re: Re: Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Sean, 12-14-2002 19:10:26

Engine driven balers instead of PTO balers?

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Steven@nd

12-14-2002 19:15:09

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Re: Re: Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Sean, 12-14-2002 19:10:26

#1. A lot of people did not bale their hay, they simply put it up in loose stacks using a hay basket on a loader or a JayHawk (push type hay stacker).

#2. Guy I bought my parts W-9 from said his dad used to just slip it out of gear when they came to a tough spot with the square baler. Didn't use the clutch so the PTO kept running.

My favorite part is that people weren't in such a hurry back then either. Someday I'm going to live like that - I'm going to drive my 51 IH pickup to town and I don't care if it takes 45 minutes instead of 20. I won't care if it takes me 1/2 hour to make one round in the field instead of 10 minutes either. I can't wait...

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Dave Girdner

01-25-2005 17:15:14

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Can some one please explain the MW in reply to Steven@nd, 12-14-2002 19:15:09

Regarding: "A lot of people did not bale their hay, they simply put it up in loose stacks using a hay basket on a loader or a JayHawk (push type hay stacker)."

My Dad bought a JayHawk "Hay Stacker" with what we called a "buck rake" front loader that would stack loose hay up to 21 ft. It was sent from the manufacturer in KS to AZ in pieces -- quite a pile of angle iron, bolts & 3 wheels. First we powered it with horses in 1947; then with a 8N Ford tractor in '48. I have pictures.

Jay Hawk Hay Stacker & other

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Hugh MacKay

12-15-2002 02:50:52

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Steven@nd, 12-14-2002 19:15:09

People didn't have to hurry back then for several reasons;
1. Our cars, trucks, tractors, etc. were quite simple back in the 1950s. Then society wanted these vehicles built so safe that even an idiot could drive one and never really get hurt. Has it worked, I'm not sure.
2. We now have socialized agriculture across much of North America and Europe. So your helping to pay for that $150,000. tractor down the road even though you are farming with a Farmall H
3. We all have a host of politicians, mainly lawyers, accountants, engineers, etc. passing new laws and new legislation, for the good of their own professions, rather than for the good of the people.
My friends we are all paying for this, and paying through the nose. I have only touched the tip of the iceburg. Its time some of you young guys took the bull by the horns and got involved in running the system.

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Sean Brinston

12-14-2002 19:22:15

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Steven@nd, 12-14-2002 19:15:09

Im may be stupid but how exactly would u slip it out of gear, sorry for all the questions.

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Steven@nd

12-15-2002 06:18:13

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Sean Brinston, 12-14-2002 19:22:15

Try it sometime with your H... when the tractor isn't pulling very hard or kind of coasting down the road, just grab the shift lever and pull it to neutral. I do it all the time.

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Kelly C

12-14-2002 19:14:41

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Re: Re: Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Sean, 12-14-2002 19:10:26

I have heard from quite a few people when I enquired about using my H to bale.
It can be done, many still do. Its just a matter of getting a good head of steam b4 you get into the hay. Also need to be real quick on the shifter to get it out of gear when it bogs down.
You would be baling in a lower gear I would guess, so as not to plug it up so much.

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don

12-15-2002 04:46:15

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Kelly C, 12-14-2002 19:14:41

I have used my H on a New Holland Super 66 baler with PTO. I always baled in low gear. If I come across a big wad I get myself ready to quickly hit the clutch and pull it out of gear and let the clutch back out without loosing momentum in the baler. Takes me close to an hour to load a 7 X 16 wagon but I'm not in a hurry either.
Now that I have my 300 operating pretty close to normal I am back to using it on the baler. Live PTO is a whole lot more convenient.

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Sean Brinston

12-14-2002 19:03:47

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Re: Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Now for none sale pitch--Kelly C, 12-14-2002 19:01:13

Thanks Kelly and Steveand do you think it is worth it ??

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Kelly C

12-14-2002 19:22:11

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Re: Re: Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Sean Brinston, 12-14-2002 19:03:47

Thats some thing you need to answer for your self.
For me its not just the clutch. Its the gettin it in and learning about them that I am after.
Heck you can find a good AC WD they came with live PTO back in the late 40's. I just saw one by me for $650.
If you want Live pto for your H this is the only way your going to get it.

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Kelly C

12-15-2002 06:38:57

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Kelly C, 12-14-2002 19:22:11

Do you guys know if having a M&W clutch on your H.
Does that raise the value of up some?

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Kelly C

12-14-2002 18:50:24

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Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Sean Brinston, 12-14-2002 18:30:13

Well lets see I have a manual here for a M.
". Maintains rated PTO speed independent of tractor motion
. elininates shifting-slipping under load-no slugging.
M&W live power regulates intake of PTO-driven machines in heavy stands or lodged crops. Now you can adjust tractor speed to field conditions with out touching the clutch, throttle or gear shift. Tractor motion can be slowed or stopped with the convenient control and machine allowed to clear itself. Compact design- quick installation. "

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Steven@nd

12-14-2002 18:34:39

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Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Sean Brinston, 12-14-2002 18:30:13

My disclaimer is that I don't know it all, and I don't claim to know it all.

Basically, when you pull the hand clutch it is like jacking one rear wheel off the ground. The tractor stops moving, but the transmission and PTO keep going. Effectively it gives a live PTO and hydraulics. That's what I know about the M&W hand clutch.

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Sean Brinston

12-14-2002 18:57:55

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Re: Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Steven@nd, 12-14-2002 18:34:39

how much do they run for apprx?

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Steven@nd

12-14-2002 19:04:10

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Re: Re: Re: Can some one please explain the MW hand clutch? in reply to Sean Brinston, 12-14-2002 18:57:55

Don't see them advertised very often. Saw one a while back for $300. I would assume anywhere from $150 for one needing work to $750 for one that's perfect?? Don't really know. They don't make parts for them anymore so if anything breaks it will need to be fabricated.

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