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Starting a tractor that has been sitting dormant.

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Fred KS

02-04-2003 14:01:14




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I'll try to keep this short, but thought the information may be helpful.

When an engine is turned off, all of the liquid will flow to its lowest point and all suspended particles with-in the liquid will start to settle in the bottom.

As time goes on the liquids evaporate and the particles form bigger pieces. Gasoline turns to shellac. Parts stick. Gaskets shrink and start to deteriorate. Insects, dirt and dust enter the system. Condensation forms and internal metal starts to rust and scale forms.

When it comes time to start a tractor that has been sitting for a couple of years or even less, and you attempt to start it without proper preparation, you are going to pump all of that gunk, scale, sludge, dirt, whatever, throughout your lubricating, cooling and fuel systems plugging up oil passages, fuel lines and radiator cores, leaving grit on your bearings and in general make a mess out of what could have been a decent engine to work with. If you have to pull the tractor to try to start it, you really muck up the works. (If you have to pull the tractor to start it, it's not ready to start.)

Just changing the oil creates some problems. When you drain the oil it causes the oil pick-up screen to be lowered right into the sludge at the bottom of the tank. Then when you pour the new oil in, it stirs up the sludge. Changing the oil filter is good, but normally the oil isn't filtered until it travels through the system and is returning to the crankcase, and even then only a small percentage of the oil is filtered.

This is just a suggestionon my part. And granted I'm not the smartest bulb in the box when it comes to tractors, but I am pretty familiar with engines.

Prior to making any attempt to start an engine that has been sitting for awhile I would, at the very least, drain the oil, gas and water. After all, nature has spent years letting all of the crud in the system settle to the bottom for you, so take advantage of it.

Oil - Drain the pan, then take the oil pan off and scrape and wash out all the sludge out of it. Be sure to wash out the oil pick-up screen. This is a good time to look for pieces of metal in the pan and look over the lower end. Pour some oil over those bearings. Remember they have been dry for a while. Replace the oil pan gasket with a new one.

Fuel - Drain all of the fuel and properly dispose of it. Flush the fuel tank. It is supposed to be clean, and for a reason. Take the sediment bowl apart. Clean it. Make sure it has a screen and that it is in good shape. New gaskets are cheap. I would pull the carburetor, soak it in carburetor cleaner and put a kit in it. A worn needle valve can give you fits trying to figure out a fuel problem later on. The kits are fairly cheap and worth the effort. Flush and blow out the fuel line.

Water - Drain both the radiator and the block. Flush the system with clean water. It's best to use a garden house for the flushing if one is available. Once the engine is running I'd put a radiator flush through it the system.

I know I'm getting windy here, but that is the minimum I would do prior to starting an engine that has been sitting. Other things to think about, which are fairly easy to do. Pull the cover off of the governor. Is it dry? Oil it. Is it full of sludge? Clean it. Pull the valve cover and side covers. Are they full of sludge? Clean them. Pour kerosene over the rocker arms, let it flush down through the return lines back into the oil pan. You can then pour oil over the rocker arms and let it flow back into the oil pan. Pour kerosene through the oil fill point. It's probably full off gunk also. Drain the oil pan again, and now put in your new oil.

So there you have it. You can just start the tractor, sending sludge and dirt everywhere, and then chase down all of the problems you created like, plugged radiator, poor idle, stalls, oil pressure not right, etc, etc. Or take a couple of hours in proper preparation and eliminate a lot of the problems. Remember, some of that dirt and crap may take awhile before it lodges in the wrong place, but it probably will.

Fred KS

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don

02-04-2003 23:15:45




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 Re: Starting a tractor that has been sitting dormant. in reply to Fred KS, 02-04-2003 14:01:14  
i let my 48 cub setup a couple years i could a have saved a lot work time money if i had just took out plugs put in some oil got her lubed good before i started her up live and learn die and forget it all that is what my beloved late aunt Mary Ruth "SIS" Womble-Byrom used to say



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OlManRivah

02-04-2003 19:49:09




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 Re: Starting a tractor that has been sitting dormant. in reply to Fred KS, 02-04-2003 14:01:14  
Also, before you turn the switch, take out the plugs, do a compression test if you can. Then, drop some oil in all the cylinders and turn the engine over manually to lubricate the cylinders. Install new plugs and proceed.



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Bill Smith

02-04-2003 18:21:12




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 Re: Starting a tractor that has been sitting dormant. in reply to Fred KS, 02-04-2003 14:01:14  
I agree with most of what you are saying. Getting rather extensive for just sitting a couple years in my opinion. Fluids will tend to turn bad over time. 2 years and the gas would for sure not be real good. Be good idea to change oil as well. Coollant should be holding up fairly well after 2 years. Most people don't change coolant for many years. Don't see how it could turn bad or have alot of sluge/gunk built up anywhere after 2 years. Turned wrenches for a few years myself. The only sure way to clean internal engine is to do a complete tear down and clean each piece spotless and reassemble. Little bit against cleaning an assembled engine myself. You can work dirt, sludge, rust, and so on loose in an attempt to clean an assembled engine but you can't do a good job of getting that crap out of the engine. Thousands of little nooks, and cranny's to catch that crap that you have worked loose not to mention oil ports and galleys, bearings, and so on. Anything left will get into the flow of the new oil and start circulating and as you mentioned, only small amount of oil goes through the oil filter. Makes me wonder if flushing with kerosene and so on will do more harm than good.

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Fred KS

02-05-2003 06:45:07




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 Re: Re: Starting a tractor that has been sitting dormant. in reply to Bill Smith, 02-04-2003 18:21:12  
Bill, my first reply to your response did not show up. Hopefully this will not end up being a double post.

Anyway, if someone knows the tractor they purchased and what type of fluids are in it and when they were changed, then the pre work could be reduced.

I was addressing the tractors that are bought out of town, at auctions, or elswhere, and the tractor's history is not known. I just read somewhere where a tree had to be cut apart before the tractor could be removed.

It's with these tractors that I was trying to prevent future problems.

I may be just a little too carefull due to my childhood. I grew up in a place called Gasoline Alley where they built racecars and engines. One of the first lessons I learned, which was drilled into me, was not to stir up any dust. Everything was kept clean. I also learned that if I had a pair of pliers in one hand, I better by God have a piece of wire in the other hand. Coming near a nut or bolt with a pair of pliers was a big taboo.

Guess I'm just a little too cautious for tractor repair. But some things just stick with you.

Fred KS

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TomH

02-04-2003 16:37:30




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 Re: Starting a tractor that has been sitting dormant. in reply to Fred KS, 02-04-2003 14:01:14  
Good post. I'd also take a look at the wires. Corroded connections, cracked insulation, and broken conductors cause fits. Battery cables and replacement wires are cheap.



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Fred KS

02-05-2003 05:33:21




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 Re: Re: Starting a tractor that has been sitting dormant. in reply to TomH, 02-04-2003 16:37:30  
I agree. But I was trying to keep my post as short as I could, and just cover the stuff that would cause problems and damage after the attempted start.

Thanks,
Fred KS



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