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IH 1066 Plowing trouble

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Paul

04-24-2003 07:31:04




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I am in college, and went home for Easter break. While I was at home I figured I would help my dad out and get some plowing done. So I took the 1066 and hooked it to the 4X16 plows. Yes I know the tractor can pull a plow a lot bigger, but if I can't go fast then I don't want to do it. It was great plowing condition, it was just wet enough that the plows went in the ground but yet dry enough that I didn't spin out. I could plow on the level in H2 but it really worked the old tractor had to bring it back to H1 on the hills and in rough spots. I would drop them plows and take off it would pick the front end up about 6 or 8 inches, perfect for plowing then it put all the weight on the back tires for traction. Well I plowed a couple of fields for him then came home and parked the tractor and plow he came out and looked at the plows and wanted to know what I did to his plows. The last bottom was half gone and what was left looked like a spider web of cracks. The only thing we can figure is at the speed that I was going at I came in contact with a rock, and since the plows haven't been used in a while, the trip part rusted and didn't let the plow trip. I talked to him last night and he told me he got a new bottom and also 700 pound of weight for the front end, he also advised me to slow down next time. Well just thought I would pass my fun weekend on to you all. Next we will see how fast we can pull the 12 foot disk with the 2 7 foot culipackers behind it.

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Mark

06-25-2003 13:20:44




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 Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul , 04-24-2003 07:31:04  
Paul, If the plow was green, I don't think this discussion would have ever happened.



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billy.

04-27-2003 17:34:34




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 Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul , 04-24-2003 07:31:04  
paul everyone on the page has run to fast at one time or another don't let them rib you too hard, but when the front comes apart on that 1066 you will slow if you live.



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Hugh MacKay

04-26-2003 05:13:41




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 Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul , 04-24-2003 07:31:04  
Paul: After a full day and a half of discussion and now reading this thread, I have kind of lost interest in what your dad's opinion of this discussion may be. Key to this is your responce to one of the guys, suggesting you know you can't run fast with a rake. Haying equipment in fact can be run quite fast if your fields are smooth from good tillage practices. When you drive in a farmers yard during the haying season and his mower, haybine, discbine which ever he uses, rake and baler pickup are stained with mud, you know there are some quite poor tillage practices being practiced. I used to make frequent calls on farmers, often having to drive across their fields. When you see muddy hay equipment you learn quite quickly to take it cool with car or pickup. Hay fields can be as smooth as a paved highway, or they can be as wash board as any gravel road. Good tillage practices make the difference, just as a good grader operator can take the wash board out of a gravel road long term. My dad always said he could drive his 57 Chevy at 60 mph on a well tilled hay field.

Most farm equipment is engineered for a specific speed range and your plow is no exception. From discussion one can quite quickly see the plows you are using are roughly 30 year old technology. Plows from that era were engineered for about 3.5 to 5 mph. Prior to that it was even slower. I understand there are some plows today engineered for speeds up to 6-7 mph. I am not right up on the latest technology, so I'm just gussing on the 6-7 mph. There are a lot of new plows around here and I havent seen anyone plowing much over 4.5 to 5 mph. In high 2nd your 1066 would be making close to 9-10 mph, plowing would have looked more like windrowing than plowing. If it was a sandy soil I'd be surprised if you didn't have burn marks on your shears.

The problems with running tillage equipment at these speeds is it starts bouncing, creating an effect on field much like waves on water. I once hired a guy much like you, put him to work doing finish field cultivation for corn planting. I went back in 1 hour caught him with 25' field cultivator and 1066 in 2nd high. Luckily he didn't have that much done. What he had done looked just waves on a large lake in 15 mph winds. It also felt like that in pickup. I fired him on the spot. Five years later and tillage every year you could still feel that wave effect driving over that section of field.

The equipment that takes the real bruising in all of this rough tillage is harvesting equipment. The only reason your plow broke is you were so careless you didn't bother to manually trip all bottoms, before seasons plowing, to make sure rust didn't affect performance. The big cost in all of this is lost time at harvest. Combine headers, corn heads, mowers, haybines, discbines, rakes and even pickup implements suffer a lot of damage and down time from rough ground. Harvesters like potato, beet, and other in ground harvesters suffer damage as well as damageing a high percentage of crop.

No Paul, I'm not really interested in your dad's opinion, families don't become that inept in one generation. You grew up on rough, wash boardie soil. Your responces tell us that.

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Paul

04-26-2003 06:45:06




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 Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-26-2003 05:13:41  
If you want to see someone yell you run hay equipment fast around our place, there is only one reason to go fast then, and that is because it looks like rain. If I would mow fast it would miss spots, if I would rake fast it would leave hay, and if I would bale fast it would either leave hay or plug the baler up. So running hay equipment fast is out of the question. I have had days when it looked like rain and my dad went like crazy trying to get that hay baled before it rained, and the next day I was out there trying to clean out a plugged baler. As for your rough fields, thats the reason I plow fast, if I plow slow I will have all these bumps, but with plowing at a little faster speed, when it turns the ground over it will break it up some, and it makes tilling it easier and faster. And I would think out of all of my neighbors they either plow as fast as me or faster. The guy across the hill has a John Deere 4020 and pulls 3 bottoms, now that tractor should pull a lot bigger plow. After reading all of these message the conclution I have come to is that most of these people would like to take there tractor out and put it in first gear and plow there little garden and let it take them all day. But I don't have the time to be doing that, when the weather is nice you have to run with it and get work done. There is a lot of work that needs to be done before hay season starts, so time is a factor here. I am just in shock that none of you have ever broken anything, and that you would like to take 3 times as long to do the same job. The only difference is when I go out to till it I have all ready started to break some of it up.

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Hugh MacKay

04-27-2003 17:58:03




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 Re: Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul, 04-26-2003 06:45:06  
Paul: Fourteen guys have responded to your thread. To date only one of remotely agrees with you. Do you think it is possible 13 are wrong and you and other guy are right? I know some of these guys have worked some quite large acerage. I personally have plowed 500 acres per year when farming. That year I pulled 5 x 16 with 656 as my 1066 was on a 12 ton manure spreader.

I have friend who 28 years ago was cash cropping 5,000 acres with two 1066 and a couple of 656. I know no one exceeds the engineered speed of plow bottoms on that farm. I have seen his combine making 6 mph with a 15' floating cutter bar flat on ground. His fields are smooth as lawns or hockey ice surface.

The reason you cant run harvesting equipment fast is your land is too damn rough from decades of poor tillage practices. YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN.

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Paul

04-28-2003 07:06:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-27-2003 17:58:03  
I was telling buddy at home about how you guys are all telling me that I have no clue what I am doing. Well he all ran into one of the biggest farmers in our area, he has this big brand new case international. He was all telling him about how you guys are telling me to plow slow and his response was if you want nice looking furrows then you had better plow fast. My buddy was there when he went out to plow and he said that he didn't know what gear he was in but if you were running there is no way you could keep up with him. Now I don't know if all you guys are right and every one where I live is wrong. Now sometimes yes I may say that I do go to fast but there are only so many hours in a day, so time is a big issue. As for me I will continue to go fast, if the tractor will pull it then that’s what I will be running in. It has worked this long and I am sure it will continue to work, if I bust a bottom every ten years then I guess so be it, the time I saved will make up for it.

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Hugh MacKay

04-28-2003 08:55:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul, 04-28-2003 07:06:12  
Paul: If so many guys in your hometown agree with you, get them on line here at YT forums. Right now as I see it, score is 13 to 2 against you.



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Paul

04-28-2003 09:23:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-28-2003 08:55:24  
Well if I was at home I wouldn't have time to be on the computer but here at school I have a little more free time. At home we have real farmers that don't have time to be online. There is too much work to get done before the sun goes down. And then there is equipment to get ready for the next day. And by the time thats done we are too tired to get on here and read about people trying to tell us how to do our job. And read about the problems that they are haveing plowing there little 50 by 50 garden. Are you operating a farm? or just sitting here reading all these posts trying to tell me that I don't know what I am doing.

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Hugh MacKay

04-28-2003 14:22:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul, 04-28-2003 09:23:13  
Paul: You obviously don't comprehend what a person writes very well either.



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Uncle Sam

04-28-2003 14:51:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-28-2003 14:22:29  
Paul -- I think I figured out the problem. Seems MacKay is one of those sneaky Canadians. You know those Canadians, always have to tell everyone else what to do , ay?



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Big red 460

04-25-2003 08:31:30




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 Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul , 04-24-2003 07:31:04  
I myself being 15 want to go fast and finish in good time but i finaly realised thst you need to let the equiptment do its job. I learned this the hard way by jamming are haybine. wow will never do that again. good luck and just slow down a little.



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Big red 460

04-25-2003 08:27:06




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 Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul , 04-24-2003 07:31:04  
Talking about thoses hubs last summer my grandpa was disking with our 1086 and i was on the way with the cullamulchers when i looked over and saw the hub sheared right in half. we just took the wheel off and i brought it back with the backhole and he kept going. If those 1086/1066's came with wheel drive they would be a even awsome tractor.Just my .02 cents.



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scot

04-24-2003 18:53:11




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 Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul , 04-24-2003 07:31:04  
Actually, we have a 1066 that will pull 6 18's in high2, with conditions right, have to go to the low side for sod usually, one thing we dont do anymore is weight it, only time we did that we replaced a wheel hub (pulling tractor before we had it, had clamp-style hubs, now 1 wedge and 1 clamp), also running spring reset whites, seem they do best behind my allis 7580 (sorry, finally found something heavy enough to keep em in the ground when i spin out) in low 5th, about 8 mph

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Tractor Dan

04-24-2003 18:41:30




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 Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul , 04-24-2003 07:31:04  
dont you ever look back how do you not notice one of your bottoms is missing?



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jason

04-24-2003 17:39:38




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 Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul , 04-24-2003 07:31:04  
What you need to do is slow down and adjust the plow if it won't turn over. Realize that by going that fast your breaking equipment and your going to be plowing too shallow. Not only have you done physical damage but your actions will lower the yield potential for that field. WHAT HAVE YOU GAINED???



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Paul

04-24-2003 20:43:47




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 Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to jason, 04-24-2003 17:39:38  
How does going fast have anything to do with how deep you plow? I can plow the same depth at a low speed or at a high speed. But at the fast speed I can cover more ground in the same amount of time.



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Bill L Md

04-24-2003 17:19:05




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 Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul , 04-24-2003 07:31:04  
Paul,Have you ever heard the story of the two bulls on top of the hill looking down on the herd of cows?Well the young bull said too the old bull lets run down their and get one of those cows,the old bull said lets walk down there and get them all!! That my boy is how you should aproach plowing nice and steady.When you rush you don't get any more accomplished then if you would have taken your time and plowed the field the way your father probobly taught you,because if I was your dad your butt would have fixed that plow before you went back to school so you would have missed your classes and maybe a test or two,then maybe if you were laying on a dirty shop floor,trying to fix and old plow you would understand what every body is trying to convey to you about your responsibility to your father and his farm and his equipment.If I was in this spot and maybe relized what I had done I would call my father and apologize for breaking his equipment.Also for someone in college your grammer is terrible.You better bone up on the propper way to speak.

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Paul

04-24-2003 20:47:36




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 Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Bill L Md, 04-24-2003 17:19:05  
Well I guess where I come from as long as you got the point thats good enough. It might not be the correct way to say it but it got the message across. All the plows are sitting in the yard waiting for me to come home and fix them, don't worry about that they will be there for me to fix. As for missing school, I would think that you would also agree that school is very importain, and missing just one class is not a very wise thing to do.

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Paul

04-24-2003 14:54:11




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 Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul , 04-24-2003 07:31:04  
Well I have read all of these replies and first off, I don't know why none of you all would let touch your tractor. I was only plowing? I suppose you want me to plow in like 1st gear? How could you get anything done? Thats fine to plow your garden but when you have a few acres to plow you can't be screwing around. I am sure the next time I am out plowing I will be going just as fast. I didn't hurt the tractor, and the plow well I will just weld it up and go again. As for college making me an "idiot" well I don't think it did, I now know what is going on and can respect the equipment because I know the forces that are acting on it.

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Tractor Dan

04-24-2003 17:54:40




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 Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul, 04-24-2003 14:54:11  
have you ever taken into consideration DOWN TIME the time it took your dad to go get the parts fix them and the money it cost? of course from your point of view it dont matter you had your fun went back to school and let daddy fix your problems.... hes probley been doing it for years...
if one of the people talked to your dad about what went on what do you think hed say to them? "oh no problem i dont mind fixing things and the money for parts no problem plowing at the high speed allows us to make money other ways"

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Paul

04-24-2003 20:51:41




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 Re: Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Tractor Dan, 04-24-2003 17:54:40  
Down time, I know that well. As for parts, he bought a whole plow just like the one we have for $50 dollars, and the one I was useing it was about worn out, so I will just weld it up and go again. As for him fixing it, he would say you broke it you fix it. It is waiting for me to fix it. So when I get home I am sure I will have it back together in a night or so, because I will work on it after dark, instead of sitting infront of a TV I will be welding it up.

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Hugh MacKay

04-24-2003 15:16:37




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 Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul, 04-24-2003 14:54:11  
Paul: You are an even bigger idiot than I previously thought. I have plowed thousands of acres with a 1066 in low range 3rd and 4th gear And that is just about speed you should be plowing. I have been on many fields in the last ten years, fields that used to be smooth until some idiot like you tore them all to H%^$. Your first post was bad enough, but to come back and argue with us. Have you no SHAME. And yes, you did do damage to both tractor and plow. I will lay money on the fact that the plow will never plow right again.

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Paul

04-24-2003 15:29:36




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 Re: Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-24-2003 15:16:37  
Wow, thats about all I can say. In low range 4th is about as slow as you should go, any slower and it dose not want to turn it over. I have been running like this for many years now, and the tractor has never had any problems. Just put new tires on the front. Shame, why? I have a lot of things a lot crazier than this but tell you all, you are liable to call the police and have me arrested for beating equipment or something. The plow work again, I went out the next day with the busted plow, and you know what it worked and did a good job.

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K.B.

04-24-2003 16:07:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul, 04-24-2003 15:29:36  
The guys might have been a little hard on you, but High 2nd on a 1066 is about 9 mph. That's pretty darn fast, especially with 4x16's. That small plow was overpowered by the 1066 and it will happen again. If you would like to get things done faster, I would highly suggest getting a bigger plow and pulling in a lower gear. That's what IH always reccomended- pulling large implements slow with a big, heavy, powerful tractor. Deere said to pull small implements fast with a light tractor to get things done in the same amount of time.

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Paul

04-24-2003 20:56:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to K.B., 04-24-2003 16:07:18  
Well as for getting different bigger plow, these ones were sitting in the weeds so the price was right. I guess I like doing things fast because deep down I am a deere man, but I can't complain about the IH that 1066 is a great tractor, if I could just figure out how to keep steering in it I would be good, but I think that maybe due to water in the system.



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Hugh MacKay

04-24-2003 16:00:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul, 04-24-2003 15:29:36  
Paul: Can I ask one thing of you? When this discussion has gone it's course will you print the entire thread take it home to your dad? I would dearly love to hear his responce.



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PhD

04-24-2003 18:20:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-24-2003 16:00:42  
Nobody can blame the college for all his smarts.



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Tim

04-24-2003 14:26:29




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 Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul , 04-24-2003 07:31:04  
Got the perfect "tractor" for you to run plowing: 2 Belgiums and a walk behind plow. Would like to see you try to move them too fast. Could recomend a good doctor to set your broken bones. Like my dad always said, college only make idiots out of people with out common sense.



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Hugh MacKay

04-24-2003 14:10:39




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 Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul , 04-24-2003 07:31:04  
Paul: If I were that big of an idiot I would never tell it, at least not on a public forum. If you were my son or my dad's son you would never drive a tractor again. You wouldn't be able to.



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hmmm

04-24-2003 12:12:15




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 Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul , 04-24-2003 07:31:04  
I don't think I would even let you touch my tractor or plow. Probably wouldn't even let you play in my dirt.

What is wrong with kids these days? I suppose you have a 5" exhaust tip on your car too??



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Jcnc

04-24-2003 10:41:30




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 Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul , 04-24-2003 07:31:04  
Maybe you could try drinking less coffee..... ..



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here, try this

04-24-2003 07:53:22




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 Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul , 04-24-2003 07:31:04  
a plow is not a high speed implement



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dhermesc

04-24-2003 09:19:07




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 Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to here, try this, 04-24-2003 07:53:22  
Nothing like tearing up equipment. My experience has been that High side is not for heavy field work, its extremely hard on the old IH transmissions. My old man would have had my a** for 1. Breaking his plow, 2. Even worse, not knowing it was broke and continuing to use it.

With eight boys to run equipment somebody else would have been running the tractor and I would have been on the end of a shovel to see how fast I could work it.

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steveormary

04-24-2003 20:58:13




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 Re: Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to dhermesc, 04-24-2003 09:19:07  
At 4.25 mph my 706 with 4-16 semimount plow on the fast hitch would do a ver nice job of plowing.

Planted some rye one fall an about 30 acres at 6+ mph and wore out the drill. Just because you can go fast doesnt mean you should. Some equipment is designed to work well at a certain speed and that is what you should adjust to.



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Paul

04-24-2003 21:06:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to steveormary, 04-24-2003 20:58:13  
I agree 100% when I am running the grain drill it is in 1st or 2nd gear, it is a piece of equipment that can't be run fast, Just like a rake, you have to go slow to get all the hay (unless there is rain in the forcast). If you go fast you will miss hay and finding a hole you will make a mess. But as for things such as working ground, there is no need to go slow, the faster the better. I have worked ground that I plowed with our 1066 with 4X16 in a high gear, then I worked ground that I plowed with our 656 with 3X16 at a slow speed. Let me tell you the faster the better, it will break up the ground as it turns it over.

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SuperHank

04-25-2003 08:22:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to Paul, 04-24-2003 21:06:31  
It is interesting to read this thread the day after. I have one son just out of college and one in. Both work hard and don't mind helping around the farm (although it sounds like Paul's farm is not just a hobby like ours). It would be hard for me to be too critical of a young guy trying to help even if he might be a little impetuous. Most of these guys are starting to party at 11:00 PM and not home until 5:00. Maybe he ran the rig a little fast but the field got plowed and I've never seen a mold board that didn't wear out sooner or later. He'll learn when he has to pay for the equipment but for now he's doing pretty well.

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Paul Vance

04-27-2003 15:35:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 1066 Plowing trouble in reply to SuperHank, 04-25-2003 08:22:24  
youth is for going fast and breaking things, were all lucky when we make it through unharmed...P.V.



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