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560 Farmall pto wont stop spinning ,when shut off

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big red 1

06-20-2003 19:19:15




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Any ideas this is the newer I would say the clutch type not planetary,cant get the thing to stop,the linkage is clean,Any ideas on how to fix and what the problem may be,and the difficulty in repair also its not the heavy just has a breather on top.As always thanks in advance some how some one always pulls my bacon out of the fire.




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big red 1

06-21-2003 04:48:00




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 Re: 560 Farmall pto wont stop spinning ,when shut in reply to big red 1, 06-20-2003 19:19:15  
the pto on the 560 in question is the clutch type without the big nut on top,thanks for al the feedback and please keep going thanks again



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Duane NC OH

06-21-2003 02:08:08




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 Re: 560 Farmall pto wont stop spinning ,when shut in reply to big red 1, 06-20-2003 19:19:15  
several years ago our 560 had a cracked block. we put a 715 combine engine in it. at the same time we had some rear end work done. don't remember exactly what was done. our pto will make the worst howling noise when in the shut off position. the guy doing the work said it was big bucks to fix. so we just let it run all the time. we have a pto shield on it. we do occasionally use the pto and it works fine just howls when it is turned off. fwiw
Duane

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Hugh MacKay

06-20-2003 20:02:39




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 Re: 560 Farmall pto wont stop spinning ,when shut in reply to big red 1, 06-20-2003 19:19:15  
Red: Have you just recently adjusted the pto clutch? What is the serial number of your tractor? The reason I ask this is there were apparently 3 different pto units for the 560, being the planetary and two different and separate chutch type pto units. One of the clutch type had to be removed from tractor for adjustment. I had never heard tell of this one until recently, and actually still not sure that it actually exists.

The clutch type I am familiar with was adjusted truough the fill cap hole with a special tool you have to get from IH. My experience with this one is if you can't stop it from turning it is time for a rebuild. I did a lot of heavy work with my pto and thus found myself rebuilding it every 2-3 years. Now my 560 was also operating at 90+ hp which didn't help either. It also clocked 11,000 hours in 16 years, and probably 65% of that was on forage harvester or blower.


You have to also remember these pto units in all the number series tractors of the late 1950s and early 60s were pioneering in live pto for IH. I had one of each series of Farmalls all the way from letter series to the 66 series. Live pto for IH came of age with the 06 series tractors.

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hal

06-20-2003 21:44:42




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 Re: Re: 560 Farmall pto wont stop spinning ,when in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-20-2003 20:02:39  
Hugh, Please clarify what you said by live pto started with the o6 tractors. the reason why I ask this question is that dad bought a farmall 400 new in 1955 and it had live pto. I still own the tractor today and we have a 2ME mounted picker on it.[its retired today as well as my dad @ 80 yrs]. and I am to belive that the mta had live pto,is that correct?



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Hugh MacKay again

06-21-2003 04:38:46




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 Re: Re: Re: 560 Farmall pto wont stop spinning ,w in reply to hal, 06-20-2003 21:44:42  
Hal: Yes the MTA had Live PTO followed by the 300, 400, 350, 450, 340, 460 and 560. These were just painful years for the industry in general. Farmers were demanding Live or Independant PTO and the industry were scrambleing to perfect these units. I also have a gut feeling that balers took their toll, not that baler took much power but it was the surging of the plunger. Forage harvesters taxed that PTO drive train to the limit and there are likely other uses that taxed it heavily. I was a dairy farmer and my 4 heavy uses were baler, haybine, forage harvester and blower.

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Hugh MacKay

06-21-2003 03:33:19




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 Re: Re: Re: 560 Farmall pto wont stop spinning ,w in reply to hal, 06-20-2003 21:44:42  
Hal:

When our 300 was new and the main power source,on farm we rebuilt that pto every 3-4 years The 560 was actually worse although I wouldn't throw all that blame on pto. What I meant by saying PTO came of age with the 06 tractors is by then IH had most of the kinks out of these PTO units. The PTO on 06, 56, 66 and even 86 series tractors were practically trouble free in for 15 years from new. The only one of the later ones I ever rebuilt was 656 but tractor was 18 years old with 12,000 hours at the time. If you looked around at other makes they were also having their problems with live pto. It just took ten years to iron out the kinks. The industry at that time had never put that much power through such a small unit with engageing clutches, planetaries, etc all contained in the unit, it just took time to evolve.

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Tim Shaw

06-20-2003 20:43:17




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 Re: Re: 560 Farmall pto wont stop spinning ,when in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-20-2003 20:02:39  
Hugh, I think the two clutch style PTO units are actually the same for the most part. As you said the later had the big hex nut on the top and could be adjusted while it was still on the tractor. The earlier lacked the access hole on the top of the PTO unit and had to be removed from the tractor to be adjusted. My dad has three Farmall 460s, one of each version.



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