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• Live Hydraulics on Farmall M

I have seem about 10 or 12 of the IH pumps that were from Super M's, MTA's, 400's go within this price range on ebay in the last 4 months or so. They can be found, but like anything at or on an auction it all depends how bad someone wants it and is willing to pay for it.

The pumps to do the change over for an H usually do bring more money on ebay from what I have seen without a doubt.

One seller (his ebay name is nscow1) has listed many of them in the past year. I have dealt with him a couple dozen times and have always gotten very good quality parts from him. He packages things very well and I think that his shipping rates are well within reason of what others charge.

I contacted him last year and bought a live pump for a Farmall H outright from him without going through the auction deal. I paid $200.oo for it, and another $200.oo for the timing cover, timing cover back plate, and cam gear and $50.oo for shipping charges.

He told me that these parts were from a Farmall 300 that he was parting out. I don’t know if they did come from a 300 or not, But I know that they fit on my 46 H without any problems at all.

On it I used the belly pump as my hydraulic oil reservoir and tapped into it using a diagram that was posted on this board by Steven@nd.

The biggest problem that I have run into when doing a change over is wringing off the bolt heads on the bolts that hold the frame rails to the bolster. I have used PB Blaster and other solvents as well as heat but usually end up needing to drill and chase the treads on at least 2 or 3 of the bolts. I always use anti-seize when reinstalling them.

I really do enjoy reading your post, you are without a doubt a very knowledgeable person. I have learned a few things from your post and usually read them whenever I see your name listed. I have found that you provide solid information to all whenever you can.

I have added the link to the ebay page that I watch, if you wish to view it. I open it and then type Farmall in the window that says "Basic Search" and go to looking at things.

Take Care Night Stalker

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Just as recently as two years ago, I was told of a Super M for sale, not running, but not stuck, two flat tires. I decided to have a look, and it had been sold day before. A week later I was at a local restoration business who I do a fair bit of trading with. He said, "I want to show you the Super M I picked up for $400." He said further, "a guy had called and offered that much if he could find him a good pump". So he had heard about the Super M apparently a few days before I did. You win some and you loose some. In all fairness I probably owe you a bit of an apology, as I am a bit out of touch on the larger tractors. I just play around with the little ones today, pieces are lighter for a old guy.

I was without a doubt very lucky, at least in my personal opinion when I changed my H and M over to live hydrauilcs.

I went to about 5 or 6 local salvage yards and they all wanted a minimum of $300.oo or more for just the pump. After hearing this I did not even ask about the prices for the rest of the parts that I would need.

One of my friends advised me of the seller on ebay that I told you about and I started dealing with him.

I now contact him with a request for what I need and ask if he is willing to sell it outright, most of the time he will and is very reasonable and great to do business with.

I also have an A, and C as well. I was raised on Farmalls and can't seem to be able to get used to anything else.

I think that I was every bit of 7 or 8 years old when I was allowed to go solo on the old C pulling a wagon loaded with hay, I still have that old C but don't use it as much as the H or M. I guess that my favorite of all is the M, I am now thinking of adding power steering to it also.

I am a firm beliver that if you provide these old tractors with regular maintenance and care they will last forever.

Have a Great Weekend
Night Stralker

My dad bought a W4 in 1942 the year I was born. In 1948 I was plunked on seat of W4 with wagon and loose hay loader, level ground. Dad said start and stop when the men on load tell you and don't knock anyone off the wagon doing so. That was the reason for grand dad's retirement from hayloader.

From there on Dad bought a Cub with mower in 50, H with a loader in 51, 300 in 55, 130 in 58, Cockshutt 540 in 59, 560 in 63. After that I bought with a second farm a 53 Super A and 504 and 656 both 67 models. In the early 70 I added a 1066, two Case Uniloaders and a John Deere 540A forestry skidder. Along the way I have had two other SA, another 130 and a 140. I currently just have the SA, 130 and 140 akmost enough power to look after my yard chores and 1 acre garden. Wife says our lettuce is worth $10. per head, potatoes $5. per pound, string beans and sugar peas $25. per pound. Now you can discount this in respect to the fun I am having. Just watch the guys I have told you can farm with less than 1/2 hp per acre, jump all over me now.

Search the archives here, there have been many questions asked about adding live hydraulics to a Farmall M.

I just added live hydraulics to my 1950 M, all of the parts I used came off of a Farmall 400.

I changed the following parts to complete mine:

Timing gear cover
Timing gear back plate
Timing gear
And added the reservoir from a Super MTA (the one that mounts under the gas tank) to go along with the belly pump so I would have more hydraulic oil capacity to work with.

It cost me a total of $350.oo for all my parts including new hoses, but I may have been lucky by finding a 400 parts tractor. I did install everything myself, so there was no labor cost involved other than my own time.

Some claim that you do not need to chang the timing cover or back plate by filing the top 2 pump bolt holes out enough to mount the live pump and still use the orginal cam gear as long as you keep the hydraulic pressure reliefe valve set less than 1200 PSI.

I attached a link to this subject from the archives, if you wish to view comments about adding live hydraulics to your M.

Hope this may answer your question and help you out somewhat, if you plan to add live hydraulics to your M.

Good Luck
Night Stalker

• Live Hydraulics on Farmall M