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More horsepower?? Stock JD A or IH M

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Big Red M

07-04-2003 06:21:26

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I was wondering which of the two had more horsepower or just plain out grunt when comming off the line when they were made or just the two stock tractors.. Which has more power stock?

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Ask over at the John Deer

07-04-2003 15:33:32

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Re: More horsepower?? Stock JD A or IH M in reply to Big Red M, 07-04-2003 06:21:26

And BTW. Any who has run belts knows that the BS is not true about John Deeres are not good for belt work. They run a belt just as good as any tractor. I have for many years!

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RPM

07-05-2003 07:42:10

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Re: Re: More horsepower?? Stock JD A or IH M in reply to Ask over at the John Deer, 07-04-2003 15:33:32

Flat belts were the only drive used on very old equipment, even steam tractors had to line up very carefully on heavy loads such as threshing machines that would sometimes slug, from what I gather working around a farm equipment dealer since 1960 the older fellows would always say that JD were more critical to align because of the power was not as smooth.

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Harold H

07-04-2003 06:47:25

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Re: More horsepower?? Stock JD A or IH M in reply to Big Red M, 07-04-2003 06:21:26

Farmall M (gasoline) Nebraska Test #328: 36.66 belthp, 33.05 dbhp, (CHP 39.23 belthp, 34.44 dbhp) 4233 max pounds pull @ 2.17 mph. John Deere A (gasoline) Nebraska Test # 384: 38.02 belthp, 34.14 dbhp, (CHP 39.45 belthp, 35.30 dbhp) 4045 max pounds pull @ 2.98 mph. The A had a little higher hp test results but the M pulled a little more so basicly it is a toss up in test results for the gasoline models. For the distillate models there was more difference with the M clearly on top. Farmall M (distillate) Nebraska Test #327: 34.82 belthp, 30.62 dbhp, (CHP 36.70 belthp, 32.86 dbhp) 4365 max pounds pull @ 2.19 mph. John Deere A (all fuel on distillate) Nebraska Test #335: 29.59 belthp, 26.20 dbhp, (CHP 30.98 belthp, 26.83 dbhp) 4110 max pounds pull @ 2.25 mph.

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Don LC

07-04-2003 09:17:59

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Re: Re: More horsepower?? Stock JD A or IH M in reply to Harold H, 07-04-2003 06:47:25

Back in the mid to late 40's, several farmers on our road worked to geather , when time was important....Farmall H's & M's....JD A's & a G....Oliver 77 & 88....All gas....I would say all around the Farmall M was the work horse at days end of drawbar & belt jobs..the M's seemed to have the edge over the JD A's and the Oliver 88's.....the M would in some situations out work the JD G....That is what we saw working the same jobs, in the same fields....the JD's were not good on a long flat belt....the belt would get to flaping and slaping, when they were pulling hard...the 88 oliver and the Farmall M was better on the belt...one M had the RPM turned up a little...that made a difference.....hope this helps..... Don

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Steve - IN

07-04-2003 11:51:07

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Re: Re: Re: More horsepower?? Stock JD A or IH M in reply to Don LC, 07-04-2003 09:17:59

I've heard the only way to do it with a JD G, and maybe an M is to get them in sets of three. That way, one could be working while one was going to fill up with gas, and the third was coming back from filling up with gas.

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Jimmy King

07-06-2003 21:13:15

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Re: Re: Re: Re: More horsepower?? Stock JD A or IH in reply to Steve - IN, 07-04-2003 11:51:07

My dad and I went to the field once with the H 24 hp, 150HM 3disc plow and U330 33hp, fast hitch 3disc plow Plowed 4 hrs. Dad was on the H I was on the U330 we were plowing a 10 acre field He lapped me every 4 rounds. When we quit we went back to the gas pump H took 7.9 gal. U330 9.9gal. only had about 11 gal tank. We traded H for M diffence not much in plowing 10 acre H pulled plow 1st, 2nd, 3rd. M pulled plow 3rd.end results M covered more ground. If you want to see fuel consumpsion try pulling an A C field chopper in 12ft sorgo with a U MM 40 50 gal a day

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Charlie

07-05-2003 07:33:30

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Re: Re: Re: Re: More horsepower?? Stock JD A or IH in reply to Steve - IN, 07-04-2003 11:51:07

The M wasn't too bad on gas all things considered but one its problems concerning gas is it doen't hold alot - about 15 gallons. If one worries about fuel consumption you don't want a gas tractor of any model - need a diesel.

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Hugh MacKay

07-04-2003 17:51:57

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Re: Re: Re: Re: More horsepower?? Stock JD A or IH in reply to Steve - IN, 07-04-2003 11:51:07

Steve: On the red ones I never heard tell of the M having that reputation. The 300 was the mean IH in that dept. You had to have 4 square meals per day and take the 300 to all of them, for a drink at the trough.

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TP from Central PA

07-04-2003 21:59:48

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: More horsepower?? Stock JD A o in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-04-2003 17:51:57

When you take a 450(or other IH with a C-281) to the field you'd really understand the term "Gas Guzzler"!!!!! ..... ..... ..Our M-TA has a C-281 and it will keep right up to our D282 equiped 706 on the feed grinder..... As long as we have our 300 gal. fuel barrel near by ;-P

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Hugh MacKay

07-05-2003 02:28:57

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: More horsepower?? Stock JD in reply to TP from Central PA, 07-04-2003 21:59:48

TP: Ah but now were talking a similar language, C-281 being substancially more cubic inches than original M. The old H and M had a half decent reputation on fuel consumption. When IH decided to take more hp out of those engines that ended it. My 300 could suck back 3 Canadian gallons per hour on NH 9' haybine. The 656 with 282 diesel would do the same job on 1 gal per hour. Interestingly enough the 300 would ocasionaly loose rpm on 460 haybine and you could almost bet on breaking a shear bolt. I can not ever remember 656 breaking a shear bolt on that haybine.

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Jimmy King

07-05-2003 21:01:39

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: More horsepower?? Stoc in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-05-2003 02:28:57

At one point I had a Super M 1954 No TA but had long housing, a 400D, and a 460D on a 479 NH Haybine the 460 would mow 100 acres, 400 80 acres, and the SM 30 to 35 acres. this is just the difference in gas and diesel 460 has 33gal tank, 400 25 gal and I don't know on the SM I would guess 25 also.

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Mguy

07-04-2003 12:25:25

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Re: Re: Re: Re: More horsepower?? Stock JD A or IH in reply to Steve - IN, 07-04-2003 11:51:07

Three of which ???? I'm just not that clever.Mguy.

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Steve - IN

07-05-2003 11:17:34

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: More horsepower?? Stock JD A o in reply to Mguy, 07-04-2003 12:25:25

Mguy,
It's a pick the model you want kind of story. Like those jokes where you can interchange Polish, Italian, Irish, and so on as the target of the joke. I first heard that story with three JD G's as the target. According to Hugh, three model 300's would work. Just pick your favorite gas guzzler... that's the fun of it.

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07-05-2003 19:55:20

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: More horsepower?? Stock JD in reply to Steve - IN, 07-05-2003 11:17:34

We had a 300U from 1958 till 62, it was a great work horse but it did have a drinking problem.
Part of the problem was it only had about an 8 gallon gas tank. My Dad would do custom forage harvesting with the 300U and an IH #15 forage harvester. He had a 25 gallon gas tank in the back of the half ton truck. Every night my job was to fill that 25 gallon gas tank from a hand pumped 250 gallon gas storage tank. The 25 gallons would do him 8 or 9 hours.
But gas was only $.21 a CDN gallon then. In 1962 traded 300u for B414D and the most it ever used doing the same job was 3/4 of gallon an hour.

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