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New Super A Man

07-12-2003 20:47:05

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I just bought my first tractor, a 1952 Farmall Super A. It was not exactly what I was looking for, because I was a little leery of the off set design (the only other tractor I've really ran is an old TO20 Ferguson) but I couldn't pass it up for the money. After bringing it home, I'm getting pretty attached to it, and am glad that I bought it. Also found out that my great grandfater (who I never got to meet) had a '48 super A, when he farmed years ago, so that kind of made it special for me too. But anyway, the important part of my post. Today when I went out to start her up, she wouldn't turn over at first. First I checked the battery out with the multimeter, to make sure it wasn't dead, and I had current at the starter. (still old 6 volt positive ground) That checked out fine, voltage at the battery and starter. I thought maybe the starter was stuck, so I banged on the the housing a little, no change. Looked at the ammeter, showing a current draw when I tried to start her. So I decided I'd try to roll start her. Couldn't get up enough speed to get the engine turning enough to crank. But after a couple tries at that I tried the starter again and she fired right up. I choked it out later and starter worked again. When I put her up for the day, I tried to start it back up just to see, and same thing all over. So after all this writing, my real question is, Do anyone think that maybe there is a bad place in the brushes or armiture? Should I take the starter off and get it rebuilt? Any help would be great, Do y'all think I might be on the right track, or way off base? Thanks,
Kevin

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New Super A Man

07-15-2003 09:54:47

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Re: New Super A owner with a Starter Question in reply to New Super A Man, 07-12-2003 20:47:05

Thanks for the help everybody. I got it running yesterday. I had to jump her off, as my battery died. I took the starter off and looked at the gears, seems as if the starter gear may not be fully engaging the ring gear. Some wear on corners of both. For now I put it back together and it's started every time since, but I know that I need to go ahead and replace the starter drive before it eats up my fly wheel. Again thanks for the tips, there're a big help!

Kevin

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New Super A Man

07-13-2003 21:42:34

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Re: New Super A owner with a Starter Question in reply to New Super A Man, 07-12-2003 20:47:05

Hey thanks for the help everyone. The battery cables on my tractor look to be in good shape, no corrosion, either end, soldered on ends, looks like 2 gauge wire, actually look fairly new. Unless there is a lot of wire broken under the insulation, I think they are ok. I'm going to work on it tomorrow. Had to work all weekend.(the real job of course) I think that I'll try taking it off and checking things out on the starter. I'll let y'all know what I find.

Thanks again,

Kevin

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Doug

07-13-2003 06:53:57

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Re: New Super A owner with a Starter Question in reply to New Super A Man, 07-12-2003 20:47:05

Kevin, Take a real good look at both ends of both battery cables. make sure there is no corrosion. make sure you have agood ground also.
I have a Super H that had 1 of the 2 bolts that
hold the bendix spring on the shaft strip causing
the starter to lock up. anyway, to check your starter, pull it off the tractor, use a set of jumper cables and hook the neg. to the terminal on
the starter and touch the pos. to the starter case
the starter should spin freely.Just make sure you don't ground the case first and then touch the neg.terminal because you might melt the threads on the terminal. If the starter checks o.k. by doing this I would suspect the battery cables or ground.Hope this helps and good luck

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Hugh MacKay

07-13-2003 04:24:39

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Re: New Super A owner with a Starter Question in reply to New Super A Man, 07-12-2003 20:47:05

Kevin: I have to agree with Bob, either the starter drive or the ring gear or both are cause of problem. There are two types of starter drives for these; the old bendix type and a clutch type. The originals were bendix and the never worked very well for long. For the most part you would have thought these would have disappeared by now, the clutch type being so much better. For price reasons I guess they haven't

I have a SA, 130 and 140 so starters will interchange. I can tell you from experence clutch type starter drive will work where the bendix will not. because of wear on ring gear. It also works much better on a perfect ring gear also.

Another item is make sure your 6 volt system has heavy enough battery cables. Poor or too light cables on tractor can cause starter drives not up to snuff to act up.

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Bob

07-12-2003 22:36:06

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Re: New Super A owner with a Starter Question in reply to New Super A Man, 07-12-2003 20:47:05

You may have a bad starter drive (bendix) that is hanging up, or bad teeth on your flywheel ring gear, or both. Rather common on these machines, actually. When you move or rock the tractor, it un-jams the gears. (Engines have 2 or 3 or 4 favorite places to some to rest when shut off, depending on the number of cylinders, and these areas of the ring gear get more wear.)

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New Super A Man

07-13-2003 04:02:23

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Re: Re: New Super A owner with a Starter Question in reply to Bob, 07-12-2003 22:36:06

Bob,

Thanks for the advice, but let me ask this. If the starter drive were bad, wouldn't the starter still spin, but not engage the flywheel? or at least not enought to turn the engine over? I've had the starter drive go out in several cars and trucks, and this was always the way it worked. Is there something different on a tractor that I don't know? (I've worked on a cars right much, but really new to tractors) In this case, the engine won't turn, the only response from the started is on little click, probably when the switch is making electric contact, you can see the current draw on the ammeter, and that's all she wrote.

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LanceM

07-13-2003 05:16:16

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Re: Re: Re: New Super A owner with a Starter Quest in reply to New Super A Man, 07-13-2003 04:02:23

The reason you don't hear the starter spinning is because the bendix drive gear is jammed, usually in a car what happens is the bendix gear is stripped or dosen't throw out to engage the flywheel so the starter motor is free to spin. Current draw shows that the starter is trying to spin just that it can't because it is locked up.

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Delbert

07-13-2003 05:09:20

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Re: Re: Re: New Super A owner with a Starter Quest in reply to New Super A Man, 07-13-2003 04:02:23

You need to take starter loose from tractor when it does this only happens if you are in a hurry or it is a cold day. Just loosen it enough to free it touch starter to make sure it is free before reinstalling. New drive would help. And ring gear.

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VAJerry

07-13-2003 05:03:34

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Re: Re: Re: New Super A owner with a Starter Quest in reply to New Super A Man, 07-13-2003 04:02:23

Pull the starter, its only 2 bolts, check the gears. As Hugh said make sure that you have heavy enough cables on your battey #1ga. NAPA carries them or some make their own from welding cable. 6 vold carries a lot of amps to the starter. Please do not go for the change over to 12 volts, if you keep your system clean it will work great.

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