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Blow by from oil stack- Super A

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PGNS

07-15-2003 08:31:22




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How common is it for a Super A to have exhaust come out of the oil refill stack? I know that (or I should say "I heard") these tractors were designed this way. Is this trye and if so Why? If this is not true what would cause this problem? Rings? Head gasket?



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Hugh MacKay

07-15-2003 09:23:26




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 Re: Blow by from oil stack- Super A in reply to PGNS, 07-15-2003 08:31:22  
PGNS: What a statment to make, just about all these old letter series Farmalls are now 50 years old and for a few of them to have some blow by would not be unnsual. Back when these tractors were new some of us were working them hard enough they required a new set of pistons and sleeves every 5 years. I know my 130 and 300 both had 4 sets of pistons and sleeves by the time they were 20 years old. Since that 130 has had one set 300 two sets. My SA on the other hand was a hobby tractor since new and I don't think it ever had pistons and sleeves and it has no blow by. It's the same with any machine, the more you use it the faster it wears out and the harder you use it will only speed process.

Yes I've seen guys that didn't get any kind of milage out of an engine and you find out they changed oil every 5 years, oil bath air filter every 10, and then have the gaul to say it was a poorly designed engine. I guess likely any of these old gas Farmalls will have produced more energy in their lifetime than any two of the new ones, and probably as much as a dozen of some of them.

It is obvious to me your Farmall Super A needs a rebuild and its probably no shame on tractor.

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PGNS

07-15-2003 10:51:26




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 Re: Re: Blow by from oil stack- Super A in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-15-2003 09:23:26  
Huge: I do not want to sound like an idiot but what exactly will I need for a rebuild. Ring? Pistons? I still do not have a manual yet ( my wife did not think I needed one for my birthday- even though I asked for one !) so I would like to know what I would need . My friend said that I could change the pistons and rings inside the motor by dropping the oil pan. I know you must have done engine jobs lots of times and it is second nature to you and many on this site but I never have and I want to learn by doing so or at least have an idea. Idon't know if you responsed to my other answer to your question so I will answer it for you now. I live in Oxford, Cumb. I am originally from Springhill. I bought this old Super last fall and its all new to me. It had sat out for 5 years in a back yard with hay growing up between it. It has been quite a struggle to get to where it is now But I plan to work on this old girl for a long time. thanks for the all the infomation
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Hugh MacKay

07-15-2003 13:42:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Blow by from oil stack- Super A in reply to PGNS, 07-15-2003 10:51:26  
PGNS: Actually I have never done an engine job myself. When I was actively farming such jobs as this were always farmed out. In the early days there was a guy right in our village who specialized in 4 cylinder IH gas engines. As he got older even he was recomending taking engine to rebuilder. The closest I've come doing the actual work, I had a fellow come to my shop and put piston and sleeve kits in my 300 gas and 656D. Since I've had time to do the actual work myself, the opertunity has not arisen. I do however feel comfortable that I could do this. There are guys on here at your disposal almost daily.

The old guy that first did my tractors was very fussy on keeping his shop and work area clean. It was a shop where local tended to congregate. He would not reassemble an engine with people milling about. He said they created too much dust. He would go back to shop in evening, lock door from inside, and no one got in.

I have never had a tractor done without installing both pistons and sleeves. You maybe should shop a bit, these come as a rebult kit. Its been awhile since I've seen a price on it, but I'm thinking @600. - $800. Canadian money for complete set of pistons, sleeves, wrist pins, rings and gasgets. Of course the unknowns are condition of crank and head until you take the engine apart. The crank and head are items I personally would want pro advice on. Of course both would have to go to professional rebuilders. These my well not need attention. Try a get some more opinions, there are guys doing this work daily that take part on forum.

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Ludwig

07-15-2003 21:51:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Blow by from oil stack- Super A in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-15-2003 13:42:03  
I agree with the other poster who says you can probably get by with just rings.
#1 thing though would be a compression test you might just need valve guides or a valve job. Either get a good thread in compression tester, rent one, or have a mechanic do it. Then do a wet test. Wet test is done by putting a teaspoon of oil in the cyl and testing again, if the compression raises noticably then rings are probably in order, if it doesn't then head work.

Remember when doing rings to get a ridge reamer and ream the carbon ridge at the top of the cylinder where the piston stopped all those millions of times over the years.

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M Farmall

07-15-2003 14:03:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Blow by from oil stack- Super A in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-15-2003 13:42:03  
I agree with Hugh. It's time for a rebuild. Get yourself at least an IT manual from TSC and go for it. If your just fooling around with the tractor and don't intend to work it much, you "may" get by with new rings. I hope so because of the expense, from what you say about your wife balking on a manual, she will freak on an overhaul. Rings, gaskets, and a head job are going to cost around 450. I just went thru an engine so I know what it takes. I was furtunate, the sleeves and pistons were within tolerance. Have fun, make it a project. By the way, pistons MUST come out through the top. Ergo, the head must come off.I would hate to see you remove the head without at the very least having the valves freshened up.

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