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Calcium Loading of Super M Tires

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Doug Bunnell

07-16-2003 18:46:25

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Does anybody know how many gallons of calcium/water mix I should be able to get in the tires on my Super MTA ? Tires are the standard size, at least I think the standard, 13.6 x 38's.

Plan to do it myself, using a 55-gallon drum and gravity. I'm told it takes quite a while this way, with alot of trips to the tire to bleed the air out. Has anybody done it this way ?
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Doug Bunnell

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07-18-2003 19:09:53

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Re: Calcium Loading of Super M Tires in reply to Doug Bunnell, 07-16-2003 18:46:25

Hi, years ago JD used to handout little pocket books to farmers. In these books were all the measurements that a farmer required to farm including a chart with calcium chloride requirements for various tire sizes.

We would use one of those cheap bronze gear pumps driven by a V belt to electric motor. These were designed to pump water. I believe TSC still sells them. We had a garden hose to tire valve adapter. I cannot remember where we got the adapter from.

The trick was to put the tire valve at the very top, install the garden hose adapter, connect up the pump and start pumping. When the pump stopped pumping it was time to stop and slowly loosen the connection on the valve to let the air out. After the air has stopped escaping, tighten the connection on the valve again, start the pump and repeat until only fluid comes out of valve. At this point there should be sufficient calcium chloride solution in tire. Next replace the garden hose adapter with proper valve and inflated to about 15 to 20 lbs of air.
Be sure to rinse thoroughly with water all tools and metal surfaces that the calcium chloride contacted.
To store the pump we would pack it with grease between uses.

Good luck
JB

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jason

07-17-2003 09:45:18

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Re: Calcium Loading of Super M Tires in reply to Doug Bunnell, 07-16-2003 18:46:25

Have you thought about using antifreeze? wieght without the rust.

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Farmall450man

07-17-2003 09:15:06

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Re: Calcium Loading of Super M Tires in reply to Doug Bunnell, 07-16-2003 18:46:25

Doug, they make a special tool that screws onto the valve stem that has a handle that unscrews the valve core and has a small tube that pushes through the valve stem up into the tire. The tool has a connection for a garden hose that you would connect to the solution that you want to put into your tires. The little tube is pushed up to the level that you want to fill your tires to. When fluid comes out of the tube instead of air, the fluid has reached the top of the little tube. I believe that the tire manufacturers recommend a maximum of 90% fill. To get more fluid in the tire than the top of the rim, you have to use one of these devices. Any ag tire source will have a tool. Getting them to loan it to you may be another story.

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Dr.EVIL

07-17-2003 08:29:38

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Re: Calcium Loading of Super M Tires in reply to Doug Bunnell, 07-16-2003 18:46:25

According to FIRESTONE a 13.6X38 on a 12" rim should take 57 gal. of water for 475# per wheel. A 3#/Gal. mix of CaCl should need 49 Gal. of water & 172# of CaCl per tire for 587# per wheel. A 5#/Gal. mix takes 46 gal. of water & 230# of CaCl for 614# per wheel. I forget what the freeze points are of the different solutions.... Barrel & gravity should be O-K to transfer fluid. Dad & I put the new tires on My Super H that way 30 yrs ago.... took about a day per tire to drain fluid, change tire, and reinstall fluid.

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SteveSuperM

07-17-2003 07:08:17

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Re: Calcium Loading of Super M Tires in reply to Doug Bunnell, 07-16-2003 18:46:25

I've got the same situation but mine are already loaded. I want to remove the mixture and did some calculations... here goes:
inner wheel diameter is approx. 12 ft, outer is approx. 15 ft. average the two to get approx. 13.5 ft diameter of tire area. I estimated a 1 square foot cross section of tire. Therefore the inside volume of each tire is approx. 13.5 cubic feet. Water is approx. 6.5 gallons per cubic foot.
Total gallons =6.5x13.5=87.75 gallons per tire.
Hope this helps

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jal-SD

07-17-2003 06:29:20

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Re: Calcium Loading of Super M Tires in reply to Doug Bunnell, 07-16-2003 18:46:25

IMHO, I would never put calcium into tires. For more weight, add concrete or cast iron. Water is always dragging behind you, cast on the wheel puts the weight down on the tire, instead of pulling behind it. Used IH weights sell for about $30.00 - $50.00 per set in our part of the world. Lots less $$$ than a new rim. (My $0.02 worth. jal-SD)

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Hugh MacKay

07-17-2003 10:05:08

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Re: Re: Calcium Loading of Super M Tires in reply to jal-SD, 07-17-2003 06:29:20

On hard ground the chloride filled tres will out pull solid weight tires. On loose tilled soil the solid weight will have the edge. That is bringing tractor to same weight in both situations. The only time chloride ever does much damage to rims is tires that have slow leaks for long periods of time.

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MEIHMAN

07-17-2003 09:42:06

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Re: Re: Calcium Loading of Super M Tires in reply to jal-SD, 07-17-2003 06:29:20

I have a Super M that had loaded tires and it has been my experience that they will outpull a tractor loaded with wheel weights. The down side is that calcium is very corrosive.

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Hugh MacKay

07-17-2003 02:48:24

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Re: Calcium Loading of Super M Tires in reply to Doug Bunnell, 07-16-2003 18:46:25

Doug: It's been a long time since I've done this but I seem to remember 1 bag for each tire. Those were probably 80 lb bags. Why don't try typing in Calcium Chloride on Google search. You want it so it will not freeze. I have also seen an adapter that didn't need bleeding. It had about a 1/16 stem that protruded into valve stem about 5" and came through side of adapter. This guy was using his 100 gallon 3 point hitch sprayer with piston pump. He was doing it with wheel on tractor and stem at top.

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Dan

07-16-2003 19:04:33

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Re: Calcium Loading of Super M Tires in reply to Doug Bunnell, 07-16-2003 18:46:25

Believe those will hold about 50 gallons of calcium mix. The barrel to tire may work. Have heard of people doing it from one tire to another by over inflating the one with the calcium and taking air out of the other. You could probably do the same with a barrel. I think I would put an air stem in the barrel so you could pressurize it with air to help the transfer.

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