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Cultivator vs. Scuffler..Wheel Plow vs.Disc

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Michael Soldan

08-13-2003 18:42:01




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Just an observation here fellows..I am always confused when someone mentions cultivators on a tractor..where I grew up we called them scufflers, we scuffled beans and corn, a cultivator was pulled behind the tractor and worked the seed bed, then I saw the term wheel plow and it took me a while to figure out it was what we called a disc and we also had one way discs which may have been referred to as wheel plows as well...its kind of interesting that depending what part of the continent you live on you have different nommers for various pieces of machinery...whipple tree vs whiffle tree... side delivery rake vs hay rake..go ahead and add to the list this should be interesting...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Gary_N_WV

08-14-2003 11:24:23




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 Re: Cultivator vs. Scuffler..Wheel Plow vs.Disc in reply to Michael Soldan, 08-13-2003 18:42:01  
Hi Guys!

I was reading this post and thought I’d add my $0.02.
My post is a little different as it’s not exactly about implements.
I grew up in a small community that had a large 4 room school for the 1 st to the 4 th grade…. only there wasn’t enough kids, so all 4 grades were taught in one room.
It was a small community, with only a few small time farmers.
A couple of diaries with 2, 3 or maybe 6 “fresh”cows at any one time.
Since there wasn’t much in the way of crops, there were only a few tractors around.
If you had asked me at the age of 16 to name how many brands of tractors there were and what they were, you would have gotten the answer of "3" brands, Ford, Ford-Ferguson and Case. There were several 9n, 2n, and 8n’s around, but I thought they were all the same, and there was one old steel wheeled Case (which happens to still be around and running)
At the age of 17 when I went to High School, I learned there was another brand of tractor.
The guy that lived by the school had 3 or 4 old Deere’s that he putted around on.

A couple of words that your posts reminded me of were:…the word “hire” which was hire-e and the word “narrow” which was said more like the word “sorry”.

I was reading another post a couple of days ago somewhere that sort of touched on the same subject of how words are said in different parts of the country (and world) and reference was made to grandparents, but from a couple of posts there, I sort of got the impression that they were being made fun of.…..and I was thinking to myself…..God Bless those grandparents….they can say things anyway they want or call things whatever they want…they know what they are talking about. They were decent, hard working people….people that cleared and farmed and made this land the great land it is today….I salute them !

I hope we get a few more posts on this subject here……..as I find it interesting.

Let me make a note here….I don’t have the impression that you are poking fun here like they did in the other posts I mentioned above.
Thanks!

Gary

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Hugh MacKay

08-14-2003 03:10:33




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 Re: Cultivator vs. Scuffler..Wheel Plow vs.Disc in reply to Michael Soldan, 08-13-2003 18:42:01  
Micheal: You are quite correct on this terminology matter. However if you look at how quick technology around us has evolved in just your and my lifetime this is not very surprising. Here we are a group of people conversing almost daily around North America and beyond. I dare say most of the guys in our age group started to school in a one room school district, and we didn't know people beyond that district, other than a relative. Many of he disagreements on forums have been created by this merging of terminology

On the tillage tools you mention, where I grew up in Nova Scotia a row crop cultivator was called just a cultivator. What you refer to as a field cultivator even the newer wheel controled versions were called spring tooth harrows. I first heard the term scuffler and scuffled, when about 20 years of age at an auction in PEI during the month of June. All of the guys in crowd were discussing scuffling their potatoes. Not knowing what they were talking about I kept very quiet trying to figure this out. At first the only item I could think of was my dad and his 1/4 to 1/2 acre potato patch for personal use on dairy farm. He used to drag a 5 foot section of spike tooth harrow over his potato rows just as potatoes were emerging to kill weeds. He always used a horse for this chore. One day while doing this one rein broke and the old horse took off in circles, and by the time dad got him reined in he had made about 6-8 circles around the potato patch. Of course the crossing row effect up rooted potatoes and he had a terrible mess. Figuring his potato crop was a disaster anyhow he hitched the horse to the potato hiller and hilled it all up again. He said that turned out to be one of the best potato crops he had ever grown. When the guys at the auction were talking about scuffling all I could imagion was my dad's experience. If you go into the Maritimes today those machines are all called cultivators either field or row crop. They will call a disk or spike tooth a harrow, but if it has spring teeth it's a cultivator whether field or row crop.

In NS again a wheeled plow without question would be a trailer plow. A disk plow would have been called a headache. When I was a teenager in Nova Scotia most mounted plows would have been called headaches. Many many farms down there went from trailer plows to semi-mounts.

You and I have really just discussed part of eastern Canada. And no, I don't think it really mattered what name the manufacturer put on the implement, geography was what put the name on the machine. But just think what all this is doing for our collective vocabularies. Many many times I have scratched my head wondering what terms of different areas were. In a nutshell it's one room school to world wide web in 50 years.

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CNKS

08-14-2003 19:30:17




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 Re: Re: Cultivator vs. Scuffler..Wheel Plow vs.Dis in reply to Hugh MacKay, 08-14-2003 03:10:33  
LONG way from Nova Scotia, to Texas (I live in Kansas now), but the terminology is about the same. I never heard of a scuffler until I got on this board, and still didn't know it was a cultivator until a couple of days ago. Trailer plow, cultivator, semi-mounted plow, spike-tooth harrow use the same terminology every place I have been. However, the field culivators I am familiar with have detachable sweeps, spring tooth harrows, wheeled or not just have teeth. Spring tooth harrow is good for preparing a seedbed, field cultivator, because of the sweeps, controls small weeds better, assuming the same number of ranks. In Kansas and most of the Great Plains we use "undercutters" (sweep plow, V blade) to control weeds. Sweeps are usually 5 feet wide and run just under the soil surface to cut the roots off, and conserve residue. Heard one Guy from eastern Nebraska call it a "duckfoot". Now the newer version of the field cultivator is called a "fallow master", believe that is a trademark. It can be run shallower than the sweep plow, and will go through fairly heavy residue that will plug a field cultivator. In Texas, we used disk plows instead of moldboards. What is called a one-way in Kansas is called a tiller in Texas (at least in south Texas. This is not a true plow, but is designed like a trailer plow, and cuts at about the same angle as one gang of an offset disk. Sprt of a cross between a primary and secondary tillage implement. Not used much anymore because of destrucion of residue.

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Randy in NE

08-14-2003 04:33:37




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 Re: Re: Cultivator vs. Scuffler..Wheel Plow vs.Dis in reply to Hugh MacKay, 08-14-2003 03:10:33  
Hugh, I am one of the lucky few that "got" to go to a one room country school. It is amazing to think of all that has been invented/experienced in the last 50 years. Who would have thought that an old farm boy from Nebraska could be corresponding with an old farm boy from Ontario/Nova Scotia and have them reply within minutes. I like my life of today but wouldn't want to trade my childhood experiences for anything. It may not have seemed so good at the time but I feel I have become a better man for it.

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Dick Davis

08-14-2003 04:05:47




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 Re: Re: Cultivator vs. Scuffler..Wheel Plow vs.Dis in reply to Hugh MacKay, 08-14-2003 03:10:33  
Rakes: I always figured that "side delivery rake" was used to differentiate from the dump rakes that they replaced.

Harrow (drag): spike toothed field levelers

Disks: spherical curved blades used to cut trash - breakup/smooth clods and prepare seed bed. Came in single, tandem, mounted, wheeled (for transport)and offset. A disk plow used large disk to accomplish what a mold board plow did.

Mid Iowa 1950's terminology. Dick Davis

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jal-SD

08-14-2003 13:06:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Cultivator vs. Scuffler..Wheel Plow vs in reply to Dick Davis, 08-14-2003 04:05:47  
Hey-DD, SE SD is definately close to Mid-Iowa, we used the same termonology, but in our part of the world side delivery & dump rakes were both used at that time-'50's & 60's. Only the people who made "idiot cubes" (small square bales or AC roto bales) used side delivery rakes, those who loose stacked hay didn't use them, they twisted up the hay way too much for the guy in the stack. BTW-I'll bet that knowing how to stack hay is just about a lost art, with all the big round bailers being used now.

How about "go-devils" or "go digs", which were also called eli's in our part of the country, or didn't anybody use a lister to plant row crops in your part of the world? (My $0.02 worth. jal-SD)

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