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Antifreeze in oil: Part Two

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dave w

08-18-2003 19:25:35




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Ok I was told to take the oil pan off and check for leaks with a pressure gauge. I removed the oil pan yesterday and could not see any ovious place where antifree may be leaking. I borrowed a pressure gauge. Pumped it up to 7 pounds. A leak developed by one of the old radiator hoses. (external leak!)Still cound not see anmy place where the antifreeze is getting into the oil.

Any suggestion on what to do next? Do I remove the head? I don't know, but could there be a frost plug leaking someplace. I'm lost.

Please help me find the way!

thanks for your input!

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Bill Smith

08-19-2003 14:45:36




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 Re: Antifreeze in oil: Part Two in reply to dave w, 08-18-2003 19:25:35  
I had this same problem on my M. My problem was a bad head gasket. It had blowed at one of the water ports in the gasket. The antifreeze seaped into the number 3 cylinder. Then it would slowly seap down through the rings and down into the pan. I didn't try to watch it in the act and I don't know if I could of because the seap had to be slow. But I could still drain 2 or 3 table spoons of water out of the pan depending on how long I let it sit. I tore the head off carefully to not destroy the gasket anymore. Took gasket off and investigated. Sure enough, I could see where it blowed out. If you don't know what to look for on a gasket, you might want to have an experienced mechanic take a gander at it. I don't know for sure, but I am putting my dollar on it being a bad head gasket.

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Chads

08-19-2003 08:54:45




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 Re: Antifreeze in oil: Part Two in reply to dave w, 08-18-2003 19:25:35  
Check you head gasket, and the head. I have had this problem with H farmalls, Just my opinion. ChadS



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ET

08-19-2003 06:57:03




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 Re: Antifreeze in oil: Part Two in reply to dave w, 08-18-2003 19:25:35  
Drain the anifreeze out and refill the block with gasoline. Gas will find a very small leak(like one that only leaks when the motor is hot) real fast.



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Mike ISW

08-19-2003 12:54:46




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 Re: Re: Antifreeze in oil: Part Two in reply to ET, 08-19-2003 06:57:03  
This is only my opinion but, I wouldn't recomend this procedure nor have I ever heard of it! Did you leave the pressure on for quite a while? May be time to pull the head. Cracked between cylinders on block or may be cracked head. Head gasket may also be problem. Let us know, Mike.



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dave w

08-19-2003 18:43:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Antifreeze in oil: Part Two in reply to Mike ISW, 08-19-2003 12:54:46  
yup, I left the pressure on for awhile. I did spring a leak in a raditor hose so the pressure went down. I looked at the crank today and I did see or at least it looked like a drop of antifreeze on the cam shaft.

I appreciate your help with this guys. I plan on pulling the head this weekend. I will let you know what I find.

Thanks again to all you have offered help!!!!!

Dave



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rick

08-18-2003 20:45:15




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 Re: Antifreeze in oil: Part Two in reply to dave w, 08-18-2003 19:25:35  
my grandfather would use a black light bulb in a trouble light to find a hard to find water leak in a motor.it seems the antifreeze really shows up with the blacklight.try this and see if it helps.i crack a cylinder wall years back and had asleeve put in. beats buying another block.but try the blacklight.good luck.



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mbnok

08-18-2003 20:15:28




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 Re: Antifreeze in oil: Part Two in reply to dave w, 08-18-2003 19:25:35  
You say you got antifreeze in pan over night. It sure looks like you would see it if coming down somewhere. Have you left the paper under it, I like that idea. You shouldn't have to lay there a lomg time looking. Its been a long time since, but I believe there is a freezeplug behind plate behind the timing gears, at least there was one on the H. Water slowly dripped down. Some old mechanic said put plug in and the put a piece of lead sheet on that. I haven't been back in since 58 I think it worked. If the water comes down by a piston its head or gasket, (might be a cylinder crack). use the paper or carefully tear it down.

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