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fortunate inheritance - Super H brakes/clutch

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new prospect

10-01-2003 11:08:43




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Hello - I come from a long lineage of green and yellow types, but recently aquired a Super H and a 656 as part of a property purchase.

The 6 needs some work, but the H is in good shape - I was hoping you binder fans could give me some insight on tightening the brakes and clutch.

Also feel free to give me some advice on:
Changing the engine oil - oil viscosity recommendations
flushing the coolant and preparing for winter
changing the hydraulic fluid (is there a filter)
what came stock for lights on the super H
where do you find the tractor serial # (I see tons of casting numbers)

Thanks in advance - I may switch camps yet!

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new prospect

10-02-2003 07:56:59




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 Re: fortunate inheritance - Super H brakes/clutch in reply to new prospect, 10-01-2003 11:08:43  
you folks really embraced the lubrication side of my questions - how about the brakes and clutch on that Super H? I have moderate mechanical ability (grew up on a farm and did 4 years of mechanical engineering) - think I can tackle those issues?

thanks in advance



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Dr.EVIL

10-02-2003 11:44:59




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 Re: Re: fortunate inheritance - Super H brakes/clu in reply to new prospect, 10-02-2003 07:56:59  
I explained the clutch adj. on Your other post. SH has disc brakes. Brakes are adjusted on the side of the tractor You want to adj. the brake for. There's a spring loaded clevis that has a long 3/8" FINE THREAD bolt running through it from the large dia. rod the pedals pivot on to the actuating mechanism that runs inside the cast iron disc brake housing. To adj. the brakes You have to loosen the jam nut and turn the 3/8" fine thread bolt INTO (clockwise) the linkage. You want about the same 3/4" free travel on the brakes You have on Your clutch. Snug up the jam nut and your done. Adjusting both clutch & brakes should not take more than 10 minutes unless the tractor has set outside and everything is siezed up with rust. You will eventually probably need to replace the brake discs inside the housings, 2 needed per side and do some maintenance on the actuating plate between them but Thats the subject for another post. The disc brakes on the late Letter Series Farmalls and the early Number Series (1952 till about 1962 vintage) work REALLY WELL when they work right but it's tough to keep them working that way for extended periods of time without working on them. You do a little work on that Super H, get some seat time on it and You'll see why FARMALL outsold deere about 4 to 1 during most of the 1940's and early 1950's.

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Dave 2N

10-01-2003 18:18:24




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 Re: fortunate inheritance - Super H brakes/clutch in reply to new prospect, 10-01-2003 11:08:43  
No experience with 656's but I love my Super H!! Just a neat tractor.
The guys below answered your questions more clearly and correctly than I could. Enjoy that Super H.



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Dr. Evil

10-01-2003 14:03:26




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 Re: fortunate inheritance - Super H brakes/clutch in reply to new prospect, 10-01-2003 11:08:43  
Congrat's on Your new RED tractors! Hugh's right, NOONE ever complains much about 656's or Super H's. Except those that don't have one or the other and WANT one. Super H doesn't have a hyd. filter. Oil filter is on the right rear of the engine inside the canister. Hex Bolt on top removes the canister & filter. Filters avail all over. Depending on Your location I'd use DETERGENT 10W30 or straight 30 W if it stays warm in Your area. SIX Quarts are added in the cap on the distributor drive gear housing on the front right side of the engine. Rearend gets 80W90 gear oil. Two drain plugs, one on rear facing back of rearend, the other towards the front of transmission facing forward if I remember right, but it's small, 3/8" NPT. Fill level plug is on the left side just ahead of the clutch pedal, also a 3/8" NPT sq. head plug. 6 Gal. fills the rearend. Hyd. system is either LIVE with the res. located under the gas tank or Transmission driven located in the clutch housing between the engine & transmission. Both hold 6 quarts. Res. under the gas tank takes IHC Hy-Tran oil. The res. inside the clutch housing can take either 30W engine oil OR Hy-Tran. Get an Operator's Manual, Parts Book and Service Manual. Good Luck!

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Hugh MacKay

10-01-2003 17:13:56




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 Re: Re: fortunate inheritance - Super H brakes/clu in reply to Dr. Evil, 10-01-2003 14:03:26  
Dr Evil: While we are on the subject of converting this Deere man, have you or do you know of anyone ever using John Deere hydraulic- transmission oil in a TA equipped Farmall. When farming I had one Deere Power Shift and 4 TA Farmalls, always kept separate JD and hy-tran. In the early days I even kept implement cylinders segragated. With hired employees that soon fell by the wayside.

I do know this, if you use the JD hydraulic-transmission oil in hydraulic systems, rams on hydraulic cylinders will have gleam unequaled by any other hydraulic oil. Forestry operators in my area used that Deere oil in pulp loaders, especially ones equipped with hydraulic motor driven saws for cutting trees. I am talking 20 years ago and was always tempted to use the Deere oil in TA equipped Farmalls, just never got the courage. To avoid confusion I am speaking of the oil Deere recomended for Power Shift. The Power Shift Deere that I had did go 14,000 hours on that Power Shift before rebuild.

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Dr.EVIL

10-02-2003 06:57:38




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 Re: Re: Re: fortunate inheritance - Super H brakes in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-01-2003 17:13:56  
I think Deere calls it HY-Guard. Only IH I know of personally that has it in it is My gear drive Cub Cadet. And there's No T/A on it.... Yet. I have a couple Buddys who are engineers and a couple Pullers trying to come up with a T/A for them. All I can say is I remember MOM complaining about how BAD Hy-Tran used to stain Dad's work cloths. Spill some Hy-Tran on them and the stain NEVER came out. Don't know if that makes it good or Bad. Sorry I couldn't answer Your question specifically.

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Hugh MacKay

10-02-2003 15:32:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: fortunate inheritance - Super H br in reply to Dr.EVIL, 10-02-2003 06:57:38  
Dr. Evil: A least you remembered the name HY GUARD. Using various hydraulic cylinders on both, I guess I was mixing the two anyhow.



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Dr.EVIL

10-03-2003 07:08:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fortunate inheritance - Super in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-02-2003 15:32:23  
We were always Kinda Fussy about situations that would cause oils to be mixed too. Never loaned wagons with hoists to neighbors with odd or suspect hyd. systems since IH didn't put filters or strainers on the Lift All's till the Number Series. Each tractor had it's OWN hyd. cylinder as well. Only took a minute or two to switch cylinders... and less than that to clean the couplers.... Guess that's why The Super H still has the factory hyd. pump... and it'll celebrate It's 50th B-day in about 3 more months! Live M&W Pump on Dad's M is over 40 yrs old. It's been used more since it was the loader tractor.

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Hugh MacKay

10-01-2003 13:45:00




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 Re: fortunate inheritance - Super H brakes/clutch in reply to new prospect, 10-01-2003 11:08:43  
Your starting off right, two of the better ones IH built. serials should be on left of clutch housing both cases. They like the same kinds of oil, antifreeze the Deeres do. 656 will need hy-tran for hydraulics and transmission.



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