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1020 engine seized, cylinder sleeve extraction

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Greg (TX)

10-01-2003 16:20:41




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Hi All,
Well my brother and I finally got the manifolds and head off of our grandfathers 1926 10-20. We have the cylinders soaking in hopes of breaking the engine free in the near future. Any ideas or suggestions as to how to break the cylinders free would be greatly appreciated. We are currently looking the at the old fashioned method of wood block and sledge hammer. And is there a tool available to pull the cylinder sleeves once we get the pistons freed? The cylinder seizure looks pretty tough as a couple of them had mouse nests in them and the tractor was sitting outside in Iowa for 50+ years without being turned over.
Any ideas or assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Greg

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Will@ont.ca

10-02-2003 03:08:38




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 Re: 1020 engine seized, cylinder sleeve extraction in reply to Greg (TX), 10-01-2003 16:20:41  
Greg,I have freed up two 10-20's that were froze big time and one that was partly seized in the last yr.I tried many methods that were sugested.The most successful way was by putting lub of anykind and everyday give it a few good wacks with a 4x4 hardwood and a 5-10 pound persuader[hammer].Once you get them free they come out the top.There is one other thing you can do to help free the pistons is,once you unbolt them off the crank put a bottle jack and bar of wood or steel and jack up the piston even lifting the tractor off the floor and let it sit all day and ulternate to different pistons each day.Goodf luck!!! Will

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Joe Evans

10-01-2003 19:48:32




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 Re: 1020 engine seized, cylinder sleeve extraction in reply to Greg (TX), 10-01-2003 16:20:41  
A good quality grease gun and good quality biceps can generate 10,000 PSI. Used to hydro test polystyrene extrusion piping in this manner. Possible damage to the head could result. Dad and strong brothers were always able to bring a piston with a sledge and wood blocking.

There are some recent posts (2~3 weeks ago) on the same topic of sleeve pulling on a 400 engine. This was my brother asking questions about sleeve pulling. Thanks to the helpful chaps that frequent this board, my brother is a happy camper. Just wait 'til he gets the bill from the shop checking out his block and head!

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Nebraska Cowman

10-01-2003 18:19:44




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 Re: 1020 engine seized, cylinder sleeve extraction in reply to Greg (TX), 10-01-2003 16:20:41  
Maybe it is not stuck very tight (mouse nest is better than water) but I never had much luck with a wood block. It takes iron on iron to get the tough ones. Likely the sleeves will be OK. Pistons and rings will clean up to if you are careful and don't break them.



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MIke

10-01-2003 16:31:39




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 Re: 1020 engine seized, cylinder sleeve extraction in reply to Greg (TX), 10-01-2003 16:20:41  
I was talking with a guy at a antique equiptment show and he either puts an air fitting in the head and pumps air in or he puts a grease fitting in and forces grease in on top of the piston. Similar to how a porta power works that auto body shops use. Most times they pop free. HTH Mike



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js

10-02-2003 17:39:49




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 Re: Re: 1020 engine seized, cylinder sleeve extrac in reply to MIke, 10-01-2003 16:31:39  
valves need to be closed for grease/air methods to work



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Bob

10-01-2003 18:32:55




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 Re: Re: 1020 engine seized, cylinder sleeve extrac in reply to MIke, 10-01-2003 16:31:39  
It is probably not a good idea to use air pressure to try to move a stuck piston. If it does move, it will move like a shot (think "spud gun"). Grease is not compressable, like air, so the piston, if it moves, will only move a fraction of an inch with each pump.

I once had a 9HP Briggs that broke a connecting rod, and after we had the head off, someone apparently pushed the piston down far enough so 1 or more rings were below the bore. My BIL and I were standing next to the engine as I pressured the crankcase with 180 pound air through the crankcase breather. Nothing happened for a few seconds, and then the piston broke loose, and shot out of the bore and punctured the aluminum foil faced insulation on the 16 foot high ceiling!

A second later, it dropped down past us and dented the sheet metal flywheel shroud only inches from the bore it had just shot out of!

I realize this would not happen if pressurizing from the other direction (through the spark plug hole), but grease will, in any case, give a more steady movement.

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James Williams

10-01-2003 19:12:38




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 Re: Re: Re: 1020 engine seized, cylinder sleeve ex in reply to Bob, 10-01-2003 18:32:55  
Greg,I have heard of using a grease gun,most people dont relize how much pressure a grease gun puts out,thousands of lbs psi.But also relize a 10-20 has a front and rear main bearing only(I think)and I have heard of a grease gun actually bending the crankshaft



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