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Bill

10-04-2003 08:17:37




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Firstly, forgive me for posting an implement quesiton here, but I read a lot of comments on IH balers on this site and I thought you folks might have some insite.

My wife's grandfather farmed with a Farmall Super H and baled hay with an IH model 45 baler. I never heard him say anything negative about any IH equipment (his blood was IH red to say the least!), including the baler. But I have read some really interesting baler experiences with IH balers, including the 45.

My question is - in you opinion/experience, what was the best IH baler made?

Another question is - can you explain the IH knotter history? I read some about Deering knotters?

One of these days I think I am going to restore a Super H and maybe an old IH baler - may be not the 45, but an IH.

Thanks in advance,
Bill

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REDS

10-06-2003 03:55:56




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 Re: IH Baler Question in reply to Bill, 10-04-2003 08:17:37  
The 430 and 435, the 440 and 445 where the best balers IH built. 445 was the last one they built.

I was an IH mechanic and spent many an hour servicing balers. As long as you adfjust them as the manual tells you, they will out bale a NH.



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Marvin Smith

06-17-2006 13:01:44




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 Re: Re: IH Baler Question in reply to REDS, 10-06-2003 03:55:56  
Hello,
I have a queston about my friends IH 430 square Baler. We bought it used and the seller told us it did not tie correctly, well he is right. The problom is we can bale about 30-40 bales and then it messes up and won't tie maybe 2 bales. Then if we keep moving it will tie perfect again for awhile. Then the same thing all over again.

Can you offer any advice?

Thanks
Marvin



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Hugh MacKay

10-05-2003 07:59:59




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 Re: IH Baler Question in reply to Bill, 10-04-2003 08:17:37  
Bill: The 45 baler was really IH's first light weight pickup baler and needless to say they didn't get it right. The heavier 50T and 55T were fine balers. They went on after the 45 with a line up of very respectable balers.

In my area the 45 was such a disaster that it basically wiped them out of the hay equipment market. My cousin and her husband became established New Holland dealers in 1958. They had one of the largest IH 45 bone yards in Eastern Canada, mainly because IH was there first. They had 45 balers there 3-4 years old, some of them hadn't baled 10,000 bales of hay. They sold a few of them, but mostly parts. Eventually they cut them up for scrap. In the end he wouldn't even take a 45 on trade, they were worthless.

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JB

10-04-2003 17:28:00




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 Re: IH Baler Question in reply to Bill, 10-04-2003 08:17:37  
As a 6 year old kid I got to ride on the twine box of an IH 45 baler tying all the knots that it missed. Our 45 only missed on the inside knotter the outside never missed a knot. After about 4 years of this on a very hot a dusty day I decided to watch the 2 knotters closely and find out what was wrong with the inside one. I noticed the inside needle didn't always place the twine in the twine disk properly. I convinced my dad to adjust the needle and it worked great from then until we traded for an IH 46 in 1962. The 46 had a problem with the inside knotter as well. The IH service man worked on it two or three different times without improvement. I found the problem to be a flaw in the casting in the guide for the billhook tension arm, a few minutes with a file and the problem was corrected. Traded the 46 for a 37 in the 1980s but then a 430 in 1990s but kept the same #10 kicker from the 46.
The IH knotters are more complicated than the Deere or NH as they tie a double bow knot where as the Deere and NH only tie a simple knot with no bow.
I remember the IH service man saying the IH knotters were a 5 phase knotter and the others were a 3 phase knotter.

The bottom line is if you have 2 good IH knotters they will tie just as well as a JD or NH. But if you have a bad one it will take an old IH service man to fix it. The IH 46 and newer had a better pickup than JD.

My 2 cents.
JB

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Wayne M Kittler

10-04-2003 12:19:53




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 Re: IH Baler Question in reply to Bill, 10-04-2003 08:17:37  
IH 425 is a small baler that ties good for me. The 435 and 445 probably have the same knotters as the 425. Dad uses a 37 with good luck. The 27 is cute but has a poor hay finger-auger system. The 46 is a nice baler with lots that can break as it is all metal drive with no chains. For looks and cheap price in a show piece, the 27 with a # 10 kicker gives a great, long, low profile. It also would be the least efficient in use.

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