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52 super M oil in water

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Nathan

10-10-2003 07:32:13




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I am fixing to buy a 52 Super M. The motor was rebuild about three years ago to 450 specs(so i am told)and has not been run but maybe 5-10 hours since then. Fires up and runs great with no smoke. Problem is when you pull the drain plug on the oil pan you get a half to full gallon of water out before the oil. Where would you start to find the problem. Head gasket? This will be my first tractor to tear into. thanks Nathan

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K.B.

10-10-2003 13:49:01




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 Re: 52 super M oil in water in reply to Nathan, 10-10-2003 07:32:13  
You can buy an adaptor that replaces the radiator cap and allows you to put compressed air pressure to the radiator. Pull the oil pan, put about 5 PSI of air pressure to the radiator, come back in a few hours, and you will see where the coolant is coming from. Since this is a dry-sleeved engine, the only possibilies are a bad head gasket or cracks. Since it was just overhauled, I would bet that the head gasket was not properly installed.

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dhermesc

10-10-2003 08:47:50




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 Re: 52 super M oil in water in reply to Nathan, 10-10-2003 07:32:13  
Stupid question, but is the radiator low? Is the tractor sitting outside? Could it be rain water from an improperly covered exhaust?



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Nathan

10-10-2003 08:55:55




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 Re: Re: 52 super M oil in water in reply to dhermesc, 10-10-2003 08:47:50  
the tractor is sitting outside rite now, but it soes have the flap over the exhaust. the radiator does loose some water but (as strange as it may sound) the amounts dont seem to match each other. when i pulled the oil drain plug the water came out then the anitfreeze then the oil. some of which was thicker than what it needed to be.



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Nathan

10-10-2003 08:05:31




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 Re: 52 super M oil in water in reply to Nathan, 10-10-2003 07:32:13  
Thanks I will try retorquing first but with my luck I will end up having to pull the head. thanks again



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Dave_Id

10-10-2003 07:56:46




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 Re: 52 super M oil in water in reply to Nathan, 10-10-2003 07:32:13  
My guess either a bad head gasket, or the previous rebuilder never retorqued head after running it first time. You may try retorquing first before tearing head off to replace, you might get lucky



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Ohio Bill

10-10-2003 07:55:18




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 Re: 52 super M oil in water in reply to Nathan, 10-10-2003 07:32:13  
Nathan,
I am overhauling a 400 engine which also had water in the oil. We found the leak to be a small pinhole in the #1 sleeve bore. The water seeped out to the dry sleeve and escpaped around the bottom, thus dripping into the oil pan. Now, this was obviously a slow leak, unlike yours which is putting up to one gallon of water into the oil pan. Wow! You may have several of these pinholes. The way we found our leak was by removing the oil pan and leaving the block full of antifreeze. We were able to see the green fluid appearing on the block. Try this. If you see nothing, it may be a head gasket or cracked head. Good luck.

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Bob in SE Nebraska

10-10-2003 12:50:15




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 Re: Re: 52 super M oil in water in reply to Ohio Bill, 10-10-2003 07:55:18  
Ohio Bill,

What did you do to fix the problem with the pin hole? I have had the same problem but the pin hole was a giant opening and I had to replace the block.

Thanks, Bob



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Ohio Bill

10-11-2003 04:57:37




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 Re: Re: Re: 52 super M oil in water in reply to Bob in SE Nebraska, 10-10-2003 12:50:15  
Bob,
The block is at a machine shop right now. The machinist there ordered what he calls a "repair sleeve" which was 52 dollars. He will bore the block, put the repair sleeve in, and then bore the repair sleeve to the original dimension needed for the new dry sleeve to be installed. Sounds complex and scary to me, but I am told he is a sharp machinist and not to worry.



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Jack

10-10-2003 13:44:38




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 Re: Re: Re: 52 super M oil in water in reply to Bob in SE Nebraska, 10-10-2003 12:50:15  
You can use Permatex sleeve retainer, but make absolutely certain you tell ANY potential buyer about the problem you encountered. When they come apart the 2nd time, the block is usually shot, as the retainer will pull pieces of iron with the sleeve.



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