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nate

10-16-2003 18:28:26




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i just bought a 706 d with 282 engine. it starts pretty easy in the mornings with the glow plugs, but it smokes for a few minutes. im a little more familiar with 56, 66 series tractors and they dont do this. the tractor doesnt seem to be lacking power, and does run evenly when smoking, so i dont think there is a large loss of compresion (broken rings). just wondering if this was normal, or if i should be concerned. thanks
nate

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Hugh MacKay

10-17-2003 19:52:50




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 Re: 706 d in reply to nate, 10-16-2003 18:28:26  
Nate: I don't know what all the fuss is about. I encountered my first diesel about 45 years ago. I've yet to see one that didn't smoke on a cold morning. My first encounter was a Cat with a pup. next two 282D in 560 and 656. Sure you need to use the glow plugs as KB said, but once their running smooth, can it. I later had 1066, John Deeres and Perkins. Of those engines I never rebuilt any of them under 10,000 hours. The 2 - 282 engines were the only ones with glow plugs, and yes I held them in until running smooth, after that I let them smoke.

Since that I've run Cummins. direct start Cats Detroits 2 cycle and 4, Kubota and just recently a Mack. What I am curious about is what these guys recomend when all those diesels without glow plugs, start smoking on a cold morning. You come far enough north to find -20 to -30 degree weather , let that diesel you have been running for several hours, idle for 5 or 10 min. The engine temperature will drop to about 130 and yes they will all start smoking again at that point. I have in the past 20 years, become acquainted with diesels in trucks. On cold winter mornings you start them up and could warm them up for 20 min., but the heater will not generate heat until you start to work them, nor will they stop smoking until then if cold enough.

I will give an example. A person I know became incharge of receiving at a Supermarket. This person thought I will show those truckers who's boss. One morning when it was about -25F, this person decided to let the truckers sit out in the cold for about 30 min before receiving. The truckers kept engines running to keep warm, couldn't blame them. When the doors were finally opened, there was a light breeze blowing towards store from about 6 trucks. This receiving person complained about the smell of raw diesel going right through the supermarket. I advised this receiver that had they received these trucks hot off the highway, before they cooled down, this wouldn't have happened, as she wouldn't have had a line up waiting, and trying to keep warm. The guy at the dock had to shutt off his diesel, but the rest in line didn't. So much for bullieing a trucker.

This is precisely why diesels should not be left idleing in cold weather. The engine temperature will drop to a point where fuel is not burned efficiently, and it shouldn't be left running.

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Allan

10-17-2003 14:09:29




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 Re: 706 d in reply to nate, 10-16-2003 18:28:26  
Nate,

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, let me say this:

That old gal uses a low pressure diesel pump. That means that the fuel is not atomized enough to ignite at the lower tempreatures like your newer high pressure units do.

In other words, they cannot "start from cold" without some help.

Hence, the 12 volt glow plugs are used to preheat that combustion chamber to a tempreature whereby the fuel will ignite.

Now, if one glow plug is not working and the other five are, the engine of course, is still going to start; but that one cylinder is going to push raw fuel until the effect of the compression itself (a few cycles of the engine compression stroke) in that bad cylinder, raises the tempreature in that cylinder to the ignition point. I'm guessing this is why you are getting the smoke....but, I'm diagnosing over the phone here too.

The glow plugs are very easy to test: Pull all the leads off all of the glow plugs. Then with a test light, with it's lead attached to the POSITIVE battery voltage, touch each glow plug terminal with the pointer one at a time. If you find one that does not light the test light, that's your boy.

If you find a bad one, there are some tricks to changing it out sometimes....they have a nasty habit of carboning at the tip and even sometimes will swell to the point that they just will not come out.....but, this is another chapter. Let us know what you find.

Now, if you find that all are okay, then I will bow to all these other fine gentlemen here and the advice that they have already given you: Hold the button down longer before the crank, hold it thru the crank, and for a short while after she pops off. But, you shouldn't be getting an excessive amount of smoke.

Regards,

Allan

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nate

10-18-2003 06:24:53




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 Re: Re: 706 d in reply to Allan, 10-17-2003 14:09:29  
Allan,
thanks for all the info. ill check the glow plugs this afternoon. if i get any trouble taking them out, ill come to you. thanks nate



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Stuart

10-17-2003 09:08:19




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 Re: 706 d in reply to nate, 10-16-2003 18:28:26  
That is common on a 560 and 706. Dont worry about it just keep glow plugging the engine after its running for a few seconds
Becarful those 282 didnt like to get hot, they are pretty tempramental about getting hot they like to crack heads
Good luck



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Allan

10-17-2003 04:24:50




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 Re: 706 d in reply to nate, 10-16-2003 18:28:26  
Nate,

I'd check the glow plugs. I'll bet one of 'em isn't pulling it's weight. Very common on these old systems.

Allan



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K.B.

10-16-2003 19:15:16




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 Re: 706 d in reply to nate, 10-16-2003 18:28:26  
I don't think you need to worry about engine trouble. With a D-236 or D-282 engine, you must use the glow plugs for at least one minute on the hottest day of the summer before starting it. The colder it gets, the longer you run the glow plugs. After the engine starts, continue to run the glow plugs until the smoke clears up.



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nate

10-17-2003 03:27:35




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 Re: Re: 706 d in reply to K.B., 10-16-2003 19:15:16  
thanks K.B. that makes me feel better about it.
nate



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Jimmy King

10-17-2003 05:13:42




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 Re: Re: Re: 706 d in reply to nate, 10-17-2003 03:27:35  
I had started my 460 one time and a neighbor driving by came flying down the drive way he thought my machine shed was on fire.



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