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M Lift All Reservoir Capacity

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Goose Creek far

10-29-2003 03:59:54




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I am having problems getting my loader (horn) to lift more than 4 ft. How much oil does the reservoir hold? Is there anyway to check the oil level? There is NO dip-stick attached to the fill cap. I am using 30w non-detergent oil. Thanks for your help.




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Hermit

10-29-2003 18:09:04




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 Re: M Lift All Reservoir Capacity in reply to Goose Creek farms, 10-29-2003 03:59:54  
I have a New Idea loader. You need to make sure you bleed the air out of the actuators. If you don't, the hydraulic fluid will compress the air instead of lifting the loader to maximum height. You bleed the actuators (don't forget all safety precautions) by removing the set screws in the upper actuator ends. Once the actuators are full, re-install the set screws. The full level of the hydraulic reservoir is 9.25 inches below the top of the reservoir fill tube. (Info from archives) Check the fluid level with loader on the ground. I made a dipstick from an old car dipstick with the top end bent into a handle to keep it from falling in. I installed a small eyebolt near the hydraulic cap and hang the dipstick there when not needed. After bleeding and filling to the proper level, I haven't had any problems lifting loads to maximum height.

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Randy Hall

10-29-2003 06:41:56




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 Re: M Lift All Reservoir Capacity in reply to Goose Creek farms, 10-29-2003 03:59:54  
i have a new idea horn loader on an 'm' and i fill the liftall clear full and it has enough oil to raise it clear up, which is very high. i have never used anything but detergent motor oil in any of my old tractors hydraulic systems and i have never had one minutes problemn with foaming or anything else. and these are working tractors.



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rustyfarmall

10-29-2003 04:43:11




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 Re: M Lift All Reservoir Capacity in reply to Goose Creek farms, 10-29-2003 03:59:54  
I do not know the specifics of the Horn loader, but the McCormick #31 loader, which is also built for the M or H, uses the front part of the cylinders as a reservoir for extra hydraulic oil. The method used on these is to raise the loader as high as it will go, and then add more oil to the tractor reservoir, keep adding until you get maximum lift. When you drop the loader, the extra oil will be pushed into the front of the cylinders. I assume the Horn loader is set up the same way, as it was also marketed for these tractors.

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Haas

10-29-2003 05:45:09




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 Re: Re: M Lift All Reservoir Capacity in reply to rustyfarmall, 10-29-2003 04:43:11  
Please tell me how that oil gets into the front of the cylinders. The lift all system is only one way, and on this loader there is no hose to the front of the cylinder. Seems to me if you filled the lift all with the loader in the up position, it would over fill the reservoir when the loader was lowered. Only way I can see for oil to get to front of cylinder is that the cylinder seals are faulty and leaking.

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rustyfarmall

10-29-2003 06:15:53




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 Re: Re: Re: M Lift All Reservoir Capacity in reply to Haas, 10-29-2003 05:45:09  
On the McCormick loader, the cylinders do have hoses connected to the front, at first glance, you would think these are 2 way cylinders, but they are not. The hoses from the front are then connected to the lift-all fill pipe, in effect becoming a closed system with extra storage capacity. I do not know if the Horn loader is equipped this way, but if it was marketed for an M, there surely has to be some system for the extra capacity that is required.

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Haas

10-29-2003 18:24:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: M Lift All Reservoir Capacity in reply to rustyfarmall, 10-29-2003 06:15:53  
Yes, it would work that way. I've seen a few of these loaders around the last few years but never noticed that. Next time I see one, I will look for for the extra hoses.



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Nebraska Cowman

10-29-2003 04:06:05




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 Re: M Lift All Reservoir Capacity in reply to Goose Creek farms, 10-29-2003 03:59:54  
Fill it within an inch or so of the top of the resivoir, (not the top of the pipe) you can check it with a piece of wire. Do this with the loader down. Then see if it don't raise far enough. If it still won't mabe you will need to add an extra tank.



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