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Shaggy

10-31-2003 13:56:00




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This is kind of touchy. What I am asking is when do you step in and suggest that someone doesn't drive anymore? Tractor, truck,car etc. My Father has had a few misshaps and I was just wondering what others have done. Thanks ( not trying to be a bad guy) (also to seth keep quite)




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Matt Clark

11-07-2003 07:46:53




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 Re: When to step in in reply to Shaggy, 10-31-2003 13:56:00  
Kind of tough, ain't it??? I always told my grandma a joke about "old" people and how their motto was "I can't see and I can't hear, but thank God I can still drive." That ran between us for many years, and luckily, she passed before she actually got too bad at driving. That was her independence (as others have said) but she admitted she didn't do as well as she had and was not averse to allowing anyone else to drive...not all are that way and that makes it hard on the younger generation. Just be kind and understanding...but keep at it.

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RayP(MI)

11-01-2003 17:53:50




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 Re: When to step in in reply to Shaggy, 10-31-2003 13:56:00  
Your state DMV may, or may not be helpful. I made a number of inquiries when my dad was getting to be unable to drive. DMV was unable to help, even if I supplied statements from Doctors, etc. Fortunately, my dad progressd to the point where he couldn't get the car started, in gear, and under motion, rather soon after. Pulling the license may not do it - you've got to take the car! In my dad's case, the state sent him a "renew by mail" license after he passed due to alzheimers - after all, he had a good driving record!

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Red Man

11-01-2003 17:30:36




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 Re: When to step in in reply to Shaggy, 10-31-2003 13:56:00  
My dad is 83 and is legally blind in his left eye from glaucoma, he also has dementia, mom and I stopped him from driving 2 years ago. If we hadn't, he'd of killed somebody by now. Somebody has to be the enforcer, it's not always easy, but someone has to do it.



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KURT (mi)

11-01-2003 03:47:26




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 Re: When to step in in reply to Shaggy, 10-31-2003 13:56:00  
About 15 years ago a little old man that lived on my parents street was killed instantly when he pulled out in front of a big rig going 40MPH. Yep he was killed instantly, messy but he probalby didnt feel anything. It was sad because I cut his grass for him a few times when I was 18 years old, he also reminded me of my great grandfather who died when I was about 5 years old.



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Shaggy

10-31-2003 22:51:49




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 Re: When to step in in reply to Shaggy, 10-31-2003 13:56:00  
Thanks guys for your input on this. My Father is only 73 and as you can imagine he has a few other problems also. If I have to be the BAD guy so be it but I will try to do things smoothly. Thanks again Shaggy.



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boog

10-31-2003 19:31:18




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 Re: When to step in in reply to Shaggy, 10-31-2003 13:56:00  
This is a tough situation and one you can not win but you will have to do something. My adotive mother got to be a terrible driver but if anybody said anything to her she would threaten to "sell the farm " and disinherit everybody. Just refusing a ride from her would set her off.

The sad part to this is that when she was 87 she was driving to meet some widow friends to go out to lunch with. They all thought she was a great driver, but then none of them had cars. On the way tto pick them up she failed to stop at a intersection and collided with another car. Luckily the boy driving the other car was not hurt but she was killed in the accident. You cannot believe how hard it is to have to go to the hospital to identify a relative's body.

For your father's sake as well as others you have to do something even though it may be unpleasant. I have kicked myself for over 15 yrs because I didn't stand up and do something.

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john d

10-31-2003 18:19:41




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 Re: When to step in in reply to Shaggy, 10-31-2003 13:56:00  
Tough call. I watched one Grandfather slowly decide that he didn't belong on the road anymore, even though he never had an accident. My other Grandfather thought he was a GREAT driver, even though nobody in their right mind would ride with him. Sometimes folks just seem to know that they don't belong on the road anymore, and are willing to give up that part of their independence. Sometimes they aren't.

My Dad was always a good and careful driver. He used to say, "John, when you see that I shouldn't be driving anymore, just tell me. I won't like it, but if you tell me to quit, I will." Like some others mentioned, he was always willing to let someone younger do the driving. As an ex-driver education teacher, I took the responsibility of usually telling him to drive when we went somewhere together, just so I could observe. His eyesight was good, his reflexes were decent for someone in his late 80s, and he was careful. I didn't see any thing wrong with his driving WHEN I WAS WITH HIM. However, a couple of good friends mentioned to me that they were becoming a little concerned about his driving from things they had seen.

Things can change in a hurry when you're that age. In July of 2001 when he was nearly 89, he drove to town for some shopping, then stopped by the cemetery to visit Mother's grave. It was their wedding anniversary. Two miles after leaving the cemetery, and probably very distracted, he pulled out onto the state highway in front of another car. Both cars were totalled, the other driver was banged up some, and all Dad had was a scratch on his elbow. I'll never know if that accident happened because he was beginning a rapid decline, or if it caused a decline in his emotional and physical health. I went with him to buy another car, but he never drove it much. Six weeks later he was in a nursing home, and by mid-December, he was gone.

I have wondered if there was something I had missed when riding with him, but I'm inclined to think that like any of us could have been, he was not paying full attention to his driving when he had the wreck.

You mentioned he'd had some "mis-haps" so far. If they can be attributed to failing eyesight, reflexes, or judgement, then I'd say it's time to tell him to quit, or at the least limit his driving. Are other people telling you that he's having trouble? Would you let your children ride with him? Can you ride with him and relax?

A person's car is often more than just transportation to them. If you take it away, you'll hurt his feelings. If you wait too long, he'll hurt himself, or someone else. Better to stop him a month too soon than a day too late.

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Bill B

10-31-2003 18:09:09




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 Re: When to step in in reply to Shaggy, 10-31-2003 13:56:00  
That is a tough situation. My father was very sick with cancer the last 2 years of his life, so he knew he could not drive. My mother would drive him to the shopping center parking lot and let him drive slowly around there when there was little traffic. Being able to drive is linked to being independant, and when one can no longer drive, they must admit they are now dependant on others. That is tough on many folks. My neighbor next door got so bad he would drive by watching the white line down the center of the road. I took him to the doctor once, and asked how his vision was, and he said"fine, I just saw that car cross the road ahead". It was a lawn tractor! Soon after, he was on his way to town, and turned left to enter the bakery lot, and turned left in front of a state cop. The cop almost collided with him, and had to drive off the road to avoid the wreck. The cop took his licence, and told him to drive home and not drive until they contacted him. He blamed the cop for going too fast. The cops sent him a notice to have his eyes checked, and I took him to the doctor, and he failed the test. He blamed that on the optician. He got bitter and rude, and I stopped going to see him. He now rides the geezer bus to town once a week, when they come to this area.
My mother also got bad near the end. The last time I rode with her, she drove much too fast for in town driving, and I complained. She said her vision was only good far away, and she wanted to get there before what she saw had changed. Soon afterwards she stopped driving and gave her car to my brother.
I would suggest trying hints that for his safety, and the safety of others, he not drive except when the weather is clear, the roads dry, the sun is up, the traffic light, and offer to take him where he must go at other times. It is important for these folks to still be in charge of themselves, but it is important for them and others to be safe on the road. My girlfriend's vision is poor at night, so I always drive at night. The bright lights do not bother me. Good luck, you are perhaps walking on eggs.

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Nebraska Cowman

10-31-2003 17:23:36




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 Re: When to step in in reply to Shaggy, 10-31-2003 13:56:00  
I have to agree with slipshod. My dad is getting old but still drives and is always quite willing to ride when someone younger is along. I am the same way; if one of my younger friends is along I toss them the keys and say "you drive"



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slipshod

10-31-2003 14:11:11




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 Re: When to step in in reply to Shaggy, 10-31-2003 13:56:00  
Shaggy, I feel your pain,both of my parents are gone now.My dad was a great driver until the very end,but my mother was never a good driver.When my brother,sister,and I told mom we did not want her driving any more she was almost relieved.The biggest thing is to make sure that your dad has transportation to get where he wants to go.My Mom enjoyed getting driven around and dropped off at the door. If everybody pitches in ,it eases the pain for your father.Don't leave him out on an Island,it is tough enough just getting old.

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Rich

10-31-2003 15:47:35




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 Re: Re: When to step in in reply to slipshod, 10-31-2003 14:11:11  
Both of my parents are in a Nurseing Home and it was their idea to give up their privelage to drive. Made it easy on us kids,but sure wish they were still in their own home and still able to drive.



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Walt

10-31-2003 22:16:42




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 Re: Re: Re: When to step in in reply to Rich, 10-31-2003 15:47:35  
You might try contacting the licence division of the state, and request that they test your dad. If he fails they will pull his licence, and you can sympathize with him. Good luck Walt



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Dick Davis

11-01-2003 04:23:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: When to step in in reply to Walt, 10-31-2003 22:16:42  
Bill B said,"Being able to drive is linked to being independant, and when one can no longer drive, they must admit they are now dependant on others. " Most of us would agree this is the central issue. What can we do to reassure them that they are still important/viable/loved even though they no longer drive? Well worht the effort. My nickel, Dick Davis



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