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Wheels-Dish in or Dish out

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Male Gayle

11-03-2003 14:43:26




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So which side should be toward the tractor, dish towards the tractor or dish to the outside? Whaddaya think?




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Bill Smith

11-04-2003 08:44:07




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 Re: Wheels-Dish in or Dish out in reply to Male Gayle, 11-03-2003 14:43:26  
Most were shipped dished in from factory. I think it is fair to say that most of those were switched to dished out either by dealer or farmer shortly after delivery. Running duals requires inside wheel's to be dished in. The wheel's can be slid in or out on the axle to adjust wheel width for both dished in and out. Being dished in will allow your wheel width to be much narrower versus being dished out. Having wheel's dished out will allow you to have wider width, thus making tractor more stable. The further out the hubs are mounted on the axle, the more strain is going to be put on the axle. Much easier to break axle with hubs clamped clear at the end of axle. Me personally, I think they look better dished out (more stability and easier on the axle to boot). A wheel weight mounted to the outside of the wheel when it is dished out makes it look even better. About the only advantage I can see to dished in would be easier to trailor it, and less space in the garage. Just my 2 cents worth.

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Paul in Mich

11-04-2003 19:04:51




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 Re: Re: Wheels-Dish in or Dish out in reply to Bill Smith, 11-04-2003 08:44:07  
Back when the letter series were in their prime, many farmers, particularly in our area, planted row crops in 28" rows. This included edible beans, soy beans, sugar beets, and corn. To obtain a width of 56", the dishes had to be turned in. When everything went to 30" rows, then the dishes could be turned out. When the triple ribed rims appeared on the 300 and 400 tractors, the adjustment could be made with the adjustment of the rim and not necessarily the dish. Still farmers had the dishes either dished in or dished out to suit themselves. It does stand to reason that there was less strain on the axles in the dished out position, but sometimes application dictated, and still does how they were set up.

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sammy the RED

11-04-2003 05:50:46




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 Re: Wheels-Dish in or Dish out in reply to Male Gayle, 11-03-2003 14:43:26  
Dish Out..... ...

What Rusty Farmall said. [I Agree]



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Harold Hubbard

11-04-2003 04:38:30




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 Re: Wheels-Dish in or Dish out in reply to Male Gayle, 11-03-2003 14:43:26  
Nobody else mentioned it, but for general use I like to have the dish out and the tire set wide enough to cover the end of the axle. That way you won't catch the axle on something. One of our hired hands caught a Super C axle on a tree and broke the axle housing right out of the transmission case. I think that's why you find so many C's and Super C's with the axles cut short.



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farmall300u

11-03-2003 19:11:45




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 Re: Wheels-Dish in or Dish out in reply to Male Gayle, 11-03-2003 14:43:26  
I have an M with a 3 bottom trailer plow and lots of side hills. I run the tires out from the rims or dish in for stability. I adjust the tire in the furrow so the plow tracks straight. I have two wheel weights on each side and the rear tires are loaded with calcium. Never tried dish out on side hills.



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Paul in Mich

11-03-2003 18:33:38




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 Re: Wheels-Dish in or Dish out in reply to Male Gayle, 11-03-2003 14:43:26  
What Hugh MacKay said is probably the main reason for having them dished out. I happen to have mine dished in and set at 56 inches only because of space limitations in hauling. But since I only use my H for parades and shows, it is of small consequence. I would, however, have them dished out if I were using the tractor for work. Hanging weights on the dished out status is a pain tho, but hopefully once they are on, they stay on.

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Jack

11-03-2003 18:25:59




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 Re: Wheels-Dish in or Dish out in reply to Male Gayle, 11-03-2003 14:43:26  
No side should neccesarily be towards the tractor-it all depends on what you intend to do with it. Usually you run them dished out and out on the axle stub to get the desired width to cultivate two rows. Dished in to plow and again need to adjust on the axle so the right wheel will run in the furrow. That is why they made them adjustable-you choose what you need for the implement you are using.



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rustyfarmall

11-03-2003 18:33:46




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 Re: Re: Wheels-Dish in or Dish out in reply to Jack, 11-03-2003 18:25:59  
You can plow or cultivate, either one, with the wheels dished out.



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Hugh MacKay

11-03-2003 17:37:02




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 Re: Wheels-Dish in or Dish out in reply to Male Gayle, 11-03-2003 14:43:26  
There is a bit of overlap on tread width between dish in and dish out. I have forgotten exactly what tread widths, but aprox. 66 to 74 inches. Those tractors will twist axles when hub is out to the end of axle. They would do it back when they were new, and since that time a certain degree of metal fatigue will have set in. I would most definately run them with the dish out. High tractors like Farmalls need at least 72" wheel tread center to center, to give them good stability. Give some thought as to what could happen if you were moving at much speed and one of those axles broke. Not a pretty picture. I was luckey the axle on 300 just twisted a 1/4 turn and remained in tact. I have heard of guys having this happen and they are now fertilizing the daisy's.

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Ty

11-03-2003 15:47:11




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 Re: Wheels-Dish in or Dish out in reply to Male Gayle, 11-03-2003 14:43:26  
Mine are in. I put 2 sets of weights on each one and that makes it look pretty cool with them sticking out. The tread width is exactly where I wanted it so I'm not going to disturb it!



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rustyfarmall

11-03-2003 15:03:31




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 Re: Wheels-Dish in or Dish out in reply to Male Gayle, 11-03-2003 14:43:26  
They came from the factory dished in, so the tractor would take up less space on the truck, or rail car. Most practical applications required the wheels to be dished out, and the wider the stance, the safer the tractor would be.
Either way is O.K., just depends on what YOU want.



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old

11-03-2003 14:53:35




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 Re: Wheels-Dish in or Dish out in reply to Male Gayle, 11-03-2003 14:43:26  
They can go either way it just depends on if you want them wide or not. Me I like wide but at times it can be a problem IE not enough room in the shed for all my toys



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JEFF

11-03-2003 19:41:35




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 Re: Re: Wheels-Dish in or Dish out in reply to old, 11-03-2003 14:53:35  
ALL THE H AND M'S I HAVE HAD AND FARMED WITH , THE DISH WAS IN SO YOU COULD TAKE THE WHEELS OFF THE HUBS WITHOUT REMOVING THE HUBS. THE INSIDE WHEEL LOCK WEDGES WERE BOLTED TO THE HUB AND THE OUTER WEDGE WILL COME OFF TO LET THE WHEEL COME OFF.



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randy hall

11-03-2003 21:24:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Wheels-Dish in or Dish out in reply to JEFF, 11-03-2003 19:41:35  
you can slide the rim off of the wheel from either side with the rim clamps off of either side by having the slot in the wheel at the top and turning the rim sideways.



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Dick Davis

11-04-2003 04:13:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Wheels-Dish in or Dish out in reply to randy hall , 11-03-2003 21:24:56  
All my Farmalls (H, Ms, 300) have wheels dished out, except the M that I put two sets of wheels on for duals and that requires "inner in" - "outers out". It has simply gotten to tough to change sides when the dauls come off. My nickel. Out looks better but then I prefer redheads, go figure. Dick Davis



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