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War Year's Production

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SuperCmore

11-12-2003 07:05:17




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When did IH discontinue production of farm tractors (if at all) during WW2? Did they still make H's and M's during 44 and 45?? Cmore




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Ray M41

11-13-2003 08:34:48




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 Re: War Year's Production in reply to SuperCmore, 11-12-2003 07:05:17  
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Found this in a box of old pictures. This is my dad on his brand new tractor. Bought it in 1943 after waiting almost a year for it. He nursed his old Case along for another crop till this one came in. Kept it till 1957 and traded it for a WD45. Sure would like to find it but would probably have to go to Mexico as most of the equipment down here ends up being sold over there.

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Buzzman72

11-13-2003 07:18:12




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 Re: War Year's Production in reply to SuperCmore, 11-12-2003 07:05:17  
From 1941 thru the '60's, my dad and grand-dad sold Farmalls. While grand-dad didn't talk too much about the business--"you boys don't need to worry 'bout that stuff" [my brother and I were always "you boys"..as in, "Did you boys leave my tools outside again?"]--dad told me a little bit about what the war years were like. Farmers were ecouraged by the government to grow as large a crop as possible, because, with most of the younger men being drafted into the military, SOMEBODY had to feed both the nation AND the troops...ever hear of "victory gardens"? But it wasn't just the gardeners, it was also the large-scale farmers (not like today...that came along later). Sure, gasoline was rationed...but while your personal car might get an "A" card (tightest restrictions), farm tractors (and even little garden tractors) often got "C" cards (unlimited), at the discretion of the local rationing board. And to make things easier on the farmers who might not get as much fuel, IH built the kerosene and distillate engines for the H and M, since supplies of these fuels weren't as tightly regulated.

Rubber tires weren't easy to get, but they could be had. Dad always told me that one way to identify a stock 1944 H or M was to look for a cast-iron shift knob, as rubber supplies, tight throughout the war, were extremely controlled that year. (They sold tires, too...and they were also rationed throughout the war...farm tires, although bigger and using more rubber, were a little easier to get because agriculture was considered an industry which contributed to the war effort.)

Dad also told me about a customer who, in 1945, bought a tractor, making his downpayment with a porcelain chamberpot full of dimes he'd saved during the war years (talk about your tractors costing a $h1+pot!!!)...but that's another story entirely.

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Hugh MacKay

11-13-2003 13:35:24




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 Re: Re: War Year's Production in reply to Buzzman72, 11-13-2003 07:18:12  
Had never heard of a down payment in a chamber pot. IH dealer told me of delivering a baler in the mid to late 50s. He unhooked the baler from his pickup. Farmer says," Back your truck over to the pump house an I'll pay you". He did and here was a 5 gallon pail full of quarters. Baler price was $1,300. Dealer said," How much is in there"? Farmer said," $1,295. at last count". Dealer said," How often did you count"? Farmer said, "Once per year". Dealer said," How long did it take"? Farmer said," Most of the day last time". Dealer said, " No I meant how long to save the total"? Farmer said, " None of your business".

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Vern MN

11-12-2003 16:32:51




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 Re: War Year's Production in reply to SuperCmore, 11-12-2003 07:05:17  
I have a 1944 H that was bought new in late 1944, and came on rubber. It was bought by a neighbor, who sold it at an auction where my Dad bought it in mid 46.
During the war there was a ceiling price and restrictions on their buying. I believe that you had to sign up to buy. The day my Dad bought the tractor, the ceilings went off. He paid considerable more than the original price, but was happy to get the tractor. It is still going strong.

I have seen some war year tractors, I believe 43, that had a red paint that faded into a dull near orange color.

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Rich

11-12-2003 16:13:16




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 Re: War Year's Production in reply to SuperCmore, 11-12-2003 07:05:17  
I have heard that durring the war you could order tractors with rubber, but the cost was WAY prohibitive.



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Bob Bedlan

11-12-2003 16:33:29




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 Re: Re: War Year's Production in reply to Rich, 11-12-2003 16:13:16  
I have a IHC service bulletins book that has this
statement. Approval has been given as a emergecy measure for production use of pistons 1 1/4 oz.
under normal weight, in order to cope with existing shortages of material. Dated June 6 1945.
Has more but to much to put on here.



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farmallkid

11-12-2003 15:18:54




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 Re: War Year's Production in reply to SuperCmore, 11-12-2003 07:05:17  
i am 16 yrs old and already have several antique tractors. one(my favorite) is a 1944 H on rubber the tractor was shipped on rubber and i was wondering how many got shipped with the rubber wheels instead of steel. i was told the tractor was produced about 1/4 to 1/2 way through 1944 according to the serial #. someone stated above that IH made larger H's and M's. if he meant the had more power i have to agree i have driven many H's and M's and i have to say that the 1944's and 1945's are a little stronger than the other years.

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CNKS

11-12-2003 18:47:09




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 Re: Re: War Year's Production in reply to farmallkid, 11-12-2003 15:18:54  
That was a reference to very few A's or B's being produced in 1942 (5 B's were produced, no A's). The larger H's and M's referred to meant only that H's and M's were produced. The engines were the same in all years, the power being determined whether it was gas, distillate, or kerosene. Perhaps yours has fire crater pistons in it.



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G.King

11-12-2003 16:53:53




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 Re: Re: War Year's Production in reply to farmallkid, 11-12-2003 15:18:54  
My Father in law first tractor was new in 43 came with hand crank only no starter ,Gen., battery or light, But all those were added during the war. Still on farm, but not running.



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G.King

11-12-2003 17:29:26




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 Re: Re: Re: War Year's Production in reply to G.King, 11-12-2003 16:53:53  
It is a Farmall H ---- it came on rubber I think .



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JohnG(TX)

11-12-2003 15:03:06




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 Re: War Year's Production in reply to SuperCmore, 11-12-2003 07:05:17  
I have a 1942 M and I believe from looking at the serial number breakdown that it is one of the more rare years. It looks like M production took a hit while H production held fast. I guess most people could use an H and did not need the extra bulk of an M.

JG



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NDS

11-12-2003 14:40:04




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 Re: War Year's Production in reply to SuperCmore, 11-12-2003 07:05:17  
Serial numbers for Hs in 1944 begin with 150251 and end with 186122 for 39K tractors one of the Hs biggest years.



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Chris

11-12-2003 14:04:42




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 Re: War Year's Production in reply to SuperCmore, 11-12-2003 07:05:17  
They continued to produce their larger tractors but many, if not most were shipped on steel wheels because of the shortage of rubber during the war. After the war they were almost all converted back to rubber for obvious reasons. IH also converted some of their production lines to make M1 rifles during the war. These IH labled rifles are worth big money today!



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Guy Fay

11-12-2003 19:04:32




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 Re: Re: War Year's Production in reply to Chris, 11-12-2003 14:04:42  
Actually IH amde the rifles in the 1950s- no connection to WWII. IH did make a lot of military hardware during WWII, including torpedoes.



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kjvman

11-12-2003 08:42:16




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 Re: War Year's Production in reply to SuperCmore, 11-12-2003 07:05:17  
IHC made larger ("H","M"s) tractors all during
the war. We had a new "H" come to our place in
1944. Biggest flaw was the cinder pits on the
grill paint--you know steam engine and open flat
cars. (That tractor is still running strong,
has been shedded all those years, and looks great!) Viva IHC!



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mk

11-13-2003 09:30:18




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 Re: Re: War Year's Production in reply to kjvman, 11-12-2003 08:42:16  
I'm not sure about the details, but the story with my BN is that is was the first one in the state after the war ended, which would back up what you said in your post. I'm going to have to get the serial number and see if I can't get more details, but it's a '45 and if has the iron shift nob, and the manaul has a notice from the war department about conserving tires...



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Red Dave

11-12-2003 08:22:17




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 Re: War Year's Production in reply to SuperCmore, 11-12-2003 07:05:17  
I don't have Guy Fay's book in front of me, but as I remember, there was some production of H's & M's throughout the war, but at a reduced rate.
There was a year with no "official" production of A's, B's & BN's, (1943 if memory serves me right).

I read somewhere that Henry Ford asked the War Production Board to allow only Ford to produce farm tractors during the war, but of course all the other manufacturers fought against that idea because of the huge advantage it would have given Ford as soon as the war ended.
Maybe Guy, or somebody else can verify that and/or quote the actual numbers if they see this.

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Guy Fay

11-12-2003 19:08:14




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 Re: Re: War Year's Production in reply to Red Dave, 11-12-2003 08:22:17  
IH produced the As and Bs at Chicago Tractor Works. I'm not sure if the As and Bs were put on hold for material restrictions- and in 1943, the government severely restricted materials for ag equipment, probably too far given how many men were going into the service, and in 1944 the government put more materials into the farm equipment industry. Chicago Tractor Works also built crawler tractors on the same lines (amazingly enough) and of course those were in heavy demand by the military. There are monthly serial number lists, so you can see which exact months no tractors were produced.

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AGR538

11-12-2003 12:12:06




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 Re: Re: War Year's Production in reply to Red Dave, 11-12-2003 08:22:17  
Red Dave, Ford did try that trick with the War Department by proposing their tractor could do more work on less fuel than other manufacturers. They used this argument as a way to promote the war effort through fuel and work efficiency. John Deere fought the proposal and submitted data to prove their tractors were actually more fuel efficient. I do not know what IH did. I read about this in the JD 2-cylinder magazine.

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