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John

11-30-2003 19:02:50




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My goal is to restore my H to the best standards, a show winner!!! I don't know if I will ever get there but that is my goal. My H has been in our family over 50 years and is pretty origional with hardly any field modifications/Mickey Mouse repairs but does need things like sheet metal repairs, seals, gaskets, pto shield, drawbar etc. I have been working on it for the past year (with LOTS OF HELP from this Forum, Thanks soooo much!!!!! !!) I have a problem/question with parts. My goal is to have a show winner, pretty origional H. I have been getting my parts from IH but my problem is that sometimes parts are a little different than when my H was built or are no longer available (nla). My options are to use a new IH part that is a little different, go aftermarket (Not sure the quality is always there or sometimes even aftermarket is a little different than origional), rework my parts (Can be lots of time and money), or go used (I have sometimes gotten used that wasn't in the best of shape either). I am wondering what you guys do?? Money isn't a primary concideration, I want to do it right, if I can't afford a part , I will have to save up until I can . That is why I expect my restoration to take a few (many) years. At the same time I know IH probably subs out its parts and would not be happy if the only thing different was an IH cardboard box that cost me extra $$$for just a wrapper!!! Reworking nla parts can also cost much more than an aftermarket not to mention time. With regards to used parts, where can I go to get an A-1 used part? How important to origional detail to what IH made today do you guys go? For example, I had the origional tower radiator clamps, got new style from IH, I see that aftermarket tower is available (But not sure of the quality) . So my conflict is : new style IH vs aftermarket (Of unknown quality). I also have gotten some aftermarket nla parts and saw that they were different from origional too or sometimes the quality wasn't there. I guess I am asking for a game plan and places to get nla parts (new aftermarket or good used) to get my H looking like it was when new? Sorry for the long post!!!

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John

12-01-2003 13:57:02




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 Re: My goal is to restore my H to better than new in reply to John, 11-30-2003 19:02:50  
Thanks again guys, I guess I just got rambling yesterday, heehee. Actually I think that we still have the origional tires, ths H got new ones around 1970 and the origional H tires went on our JD. B. About 25 years ago I was able to buy a New seat (Still in a box) from an IH dealer that went out. Some parts that I am looking for are: The swinging drawbar, pto shield and maybe a wireing harness. I am not sure what attachment (Roller or strap) I need for the swinging drawbar. One never came with ours, they used the drawbar extension (Turned inward towards the front) on top of both the U drawbar and drawbar to keep it in place. My drawbar front hole is oval shaped, I may now get it machined to be tighter.

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John

12-01-2003 13:27:23




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 Re: My goal is to restore my H to better than new in reply to John, 11-30-2003 19:02:50  
Thanks guys!!!!



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49 Cubber!

12-01-2003 12:54:45




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 Re: My goal is to restore my H to better than new in reply to John, 11-30-2003 19:02:50  
To be the correct police for a moment,if you have to replace a part,then it is no longer original.If youve rebuilt the engine,its no longer original,if you take off all the paint its no longer original.Dont worry about it.DO the best job you cna do with what you have to work with.(At least someone on this forum told me that once before)Which parts are you not able to find?There were thousands of Hs built and IH still have many parts for them.

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Paul in Mich

12-01-2003 08:40:02




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 Re: My goal is to restore my H to better than new in reply to John, 11-30-2003 19:02:50  
John, You mention "Better than new". First of all, if you replace seals, odds are that that aspect will indeed be better than new since replacement seals are neoprene, whereas many of the original seals were felt. You will have trouble finding felt seals except in rare instances. There are lots of sources for N.O.S. parts as well as O.E.M.parts. Your Case IH dealer may even have some of the parts you need, so I suggest you try them first, as I find the quality to be unequaled. If you cant get parts from your dealer then start networking to find what you need. If you are going for a "Show winner", remember that there are a lot of variables to consider. First of all, if your tractor is being judged by a true purest, being better than new can sometimes be to your detrement. Can you find original tires that were used for the particular year your tractor was manufactured? That can be an adventure in itself. If its dual fuel, do you have, or can you find all the components? You can also overpaint. Paint jobs should be as original, and not smooth as glass automotive paint jobs. They look nice, but remember who is doing the judging. Decals vary somewhat from year to year, so make sure you have the right decals and have them placed in the proper location. a package of decals may include some that don't apply to your tractor, so use what is necessary, but no more. Wiring harnesses vary also from year to year. Finding IH bolt heads with the center dot comes into play, and you may have to become acquainted with someone who has a tractor scrap yard who will let you rummage around for nuts and bolts. Seat material, Light lenses and bulbs, Ignition coils, Fan belts, radiator hoses and clamps, mufflers, steering wheels, are all things visable to the naked eye. You can install internal parts that unless increases horsepower are never in question, but visual things make up a show tractor. Myself, I could care less about trophies, but if that is your thing, go for it, keeping in mind that you can overdo as well as underdo. Good Luck, and Enjoy.

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Mickey Cook

12-01-2003 03:20:42




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 Re: My goal is to restore my H to better than new in reply to John, 11-30-2003 19:02:50  
I have several H's for parts. Let me know if I can help you.



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CNKS

11-30-2003 20:04:01




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 Re: My goal is to restore my H to better than new in reply to John, 11-30-2003 19:02:50  
I'm not a detail person, particularly for things like clamps, but to each his own. I don't know which parts you are referring to, but OEM Tractor Parts either makes or has someone else make, hard to find parts that are very close to OEM. Haas and justin, who post on this board have NOS parts. If they don't have what you need, machine shops can repair about anything. I had a local shop make me a new clutch/brake shaft for my Super H, and they also filled in the worn cast in the clutch pedal. All it takes is MONEY. (Haas and justin have very reasonable prices). Don't forget Mike at Steel Wheel Ranch -- he has good, or certainly rebuildable, used parts. I wouldn't worry about the new Case-IH seals or gaskets being different from the old ones, as they are probably better.

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Richard Fazio

12-01-2003 05:55:59




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 Re: Re: My goal is to restore my H to better than in reply to CNKS, 11-30-2003 20:04:01  
CNKS, I was going to post about worn pins and holes in about everything on my M. From the clutch pedal, to brakes, steering, etc. etc. You actually had the holes built back up and used new pins? I was wondering how to handle it. I was thinking new pins of slightly larger size could be a way to fix it up. I was also thinking of brazing around the holes and re-drilling. What did it cost you to fix the worn holes say in your clutch pedal linkage?

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CNKS

12-01-2003 07:34:04




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 Re: Re: Re: My goal is to restore my H to better t in reply to Richard Fazio, 12-01-2003 05:55:59  
$212 to get a new brake shaft including slots for keys, etc, bushings for two brake pedals (I believe both the pedals and the bushings were machined, or perhaps they machined the pedals to fit the bushings, I don't know). Plus I had the worn place in the upper steering shaft built up, (included in the $212). I would guess that each of these items separately would cost about $75, it adds up. I got a NOS cast bearing for the steering shaft (the part that sits on top of the steering post that the shaft goes thru from justin (Webers Tractor Works for $25.50 including shipping). I have other pins, etc that need replacing, as you mentioned. You can use larger pins, problem is the hole that they go thru is not round. If they aren't too bad I would leave them alone, or just find something that fits a little better.

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