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thomas holloway

12-04-2003 17:38:47

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Need info on alfalfa grass. Will it grow in Ga. I want it for deer. Western states have it and it is a deer magnet! Any info will be helpful. thanks

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Mark B

12-05-2003 10:40:58

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Re: alfalfa grass in reply to thomas holloway, 12-04-2003 17:38:47

If you are looking for just a good food plot for deer,check out www.deernutrition.com My 2 cents

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Farmall Don

12-05-2003 06:08:43

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Re: alfalfa grass in reply to thomas holloway, 12-04-2003 17:38:47

For attracting deer, I know a guy that lives back in the woods whom piped his water softener drain to spill on grade about 30ft off the house. The deer go right up to the outlet and lick the leaves and grass around it after every cycle.

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Dick Davis

12-05-2003 04:23:41

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Re: alfalfa grass in reply to thomas holloway, 12-04-2003 17:38:47

Alfalfa works best in the West when it is fairly rare. A field of green alfalfa is pretty attractive amoungst the sage brush covered hills. And as the fellow said deer browse so unless the other fauna in your neighborhood is all brown,woody,or thorn covered, it won't work for you as well in Peachland. My nickel

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riverrat100@hotmail.com

12-05-2003 01:56:31

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Re: alfalfa grass in reply to thomas holloway, 12-04-2003 17:38:47

Yes - alfalfa is definitely not a grass. Those roots seem like they're 10 foot down! Also, deer are not grazers like cows and horses. They're browsers. Like goats. Goats and deer are the two closest related animals out there. FYI.

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Dan

12-04-2003 20:32:37

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Re: alfalfa grass in reply to thomas holloway, 12-04-2003 17:38:47

Here one of the best planters for Alfalfa is a brillion. It basically puts the seed on top of the ground followed by a packer wheel. I read this that you just wanted to bring the deer in not to bait but Perhaps I may be wrong. I have planted alfalfa and grass mixed for feed for cows and it is excellent for that. I don't think deer can digest the grass that well.

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Hugh MacKay

12-05-2003 04:51:00

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Re: Re: alfalfa grass in reply to Dan, 12-04-2003 20:32:37

Dan: You are exactly right on using the Brillion seeder. The Brillion really only brodcasts seeds between the two perforating rollers, and that is precicely all the covering you need. Firmness of seed bed which front roller does and rolling behind will give better germination than any covering device known to man.

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Bill B

12-04-2003 19:13:56

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Re: alfalfa grass in reply to thomas holloway, 12-04-2003 17:38:47

Alfalfa is a legume. It cannot be broadcast seeded, it must be planted (drilled). Here in the east, the deer prefer gardens and house shrubs to alfalfa. And you should see my cedar trees, they look like lollypops. Mostly they like the apples that drop from my trees. Had a pair of big ones in the yard a few nights ago. One had a handsome hat rack on it's head. If you just want to bait the deer, buy a salt lick and put that out where you can see it from your TV chair, and you can just shoot out the window.

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Norm

12-05-2003 02:21:54

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Re: Re: alfalfa grass in reply to Bill B, 12-04-2003 19:13:56

We have broadcast alfalfa seed for years and no problem with doing that. Now we get the Fertilizer dealer to do it with his air spreader. AT 80 acres an hour it doesnt take long to do it. Just need a shallow dragging to get the seed at a 1/4 inch depth.

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Bill B

12-05-2003 03:46:21

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Re: Re: Re: alfalfa grass in reply to Norm , 12-05-2003 02:21:54

That is a great method. I expect that you get better coverage, as when we drilled it, it initally came up in tiny rows. We never did it that way, and my AG teacher always said to drill it. That was many years ago, time marches on.

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Allan

12-05-2003 02:34:48

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Re: Re: Re: alfalfa grass in reply to Norm , 12-05-2003 02:21:54

Norm,

You're right about that 1/4" depth. What rates are you broadcasting at? I'll bet it is cheaper than drilling.

What do you do, just lightly hit it with a harrow or something after the air planter has passed?

I always thought that this method would work with great success and that by planting with a drill, a guy would always get about 2/3 of the seed buried too deep; hence the need for a higher planting rate.

Thanks,

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

12-04-2003 18:43:22

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Re: alfalfa grass in reply to thomas holloway, 12-04-2003 17:38:47

To start with alfalda is not a grass. If your are just wanting to bait deer you are a very lazy hunter.

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SuperHank

12-05-2003 07:48:46

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Re: Re: alfalfa grass in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-04-2003 18:43:22

After hunting deer in Florida and Georgia for 57 years I can tell you that planting for deer is not only good for the deer and other game as well it is far from making someone a very lazy hunter. Southern swamps and thick cover make planting important methods for making deer move into and stay in a range where they can be hunted. Planted fields are used by big bucks almost exclusively at night and it is good management to thin a herd of excess does during the day. I do not know where you hunt but deer populations are growing and it is important to keep herds in balance and well nourished in the off season.

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Hugh MacKay

12-05-2003 12:55:50

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Re: Re: Re: alfalfa grass in reply to SuperHank, 12-05-2003 07:48:46

Hank: I don't mind the idea of keeping the deer well nourished, but do it with non agricultural crops. Deer will not normally eat those crops unless their hungry. Once they get a taste for items like clover, alfalfa, cabbage, lettuce, turnip, etc.,they become a vast niusance for agriculture. I am not a hunter, however game and wildlife bioligists that I have heard address this subject, agree these crops are not good for the deer's digestive system.

Aside from this a true sportsman hunts game in the game habitat. Your guys are not hunters at all, your just a bunch of lazy loafers that want the game to come to you. Next thing we know you will be hireing someone to go out and tie the deer to a tree for you. You kind of remind me of a guy that baited deer with apples then took his lawn chair to wait for the deer. He fell asleep in the lawn chair, and his buddies claim the deer came out and licked his face. I guess the deer just wanted to say thank you for the apples.

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SuperHank

12-08-2003 12:59:24

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Re: Re: Re: Re: alfalfa grass in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-05-2003 12:55:50

Sorry for the delay but I can't spend all day in front of the computer. You apparently do not spend much time keeping up with game management issues at least in the south. Nor does it sound like you know the first thing about hunting other than what you read in Sports Afield. Bow hunting requires patience and woodsmanship beyond ordinary hunting tactics. Hunting from a deer stand over planted crops offers shots at a 30 to 35 yard range where a deer can be responsibly harvested. Some old arm chair farmer with his 30-30 that hasn't been out of the closet in 20 years to the contrary notwithstanding planting deer plots is is good management and considered fair chase everywhere.

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gene b

12-05-2003 02:30:56

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Re: Re: alfalfa grass in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-04-2003 18:43:22

HUGH we are learning new stuff every day now i just find out that you cant get ALFALFA to grow if it is broadcast. How did they grow it before they had drills.

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Hugh MacKay again

12-05-2003 04:56:43

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Re: Re: Re: alfalfa grass in reply to gene b, 12-05-2003 02:30:56

gene: OK I get the message with the ALFALFA. (alfalda) My typing skills plus big fingers, it was just the next key, not bad.

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Hugh MacKay

12-05-2003 04:25:44

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Re: Re: Re: alfalfa grass in reply to gene b, 12-05-2003 02:30:56

gene: Amazing, technically any of the drills or Brillions I've seen or used really just did just that with grass or legume seed. Truly amazing what guys our age can learn. Oh well, we'll probably go to our graves wiser men.

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gene b

12-05-2003 11:04:42

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Re: Re: Re: Re: alfalfa grass in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-05-2003 04:25:44

We had a neighbor that used his e-z flow spreader for his ALFALFA behind disc and a harrow behind spreader had the best stand around now we use $200 bu seed direct drill no cover. Brother got 5 cuttings here in EAST CENTRAL IA this summer120 and up a ton no wonder he sells hay off 100a beats corn and beans.

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