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OK now I'm getting mad!!!!

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Chris C

12-05-2003 06:49:38




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I bought a 460 utility and It does run well and needs some attention..but it really torques me off when people wire and baler twin crap together to hide it. Evertime I take a piece off I find something new. It really isn't costing me much but my time. I bought this tractor to use and now I find myself painting etc. I can't do it Half A##. If your not going back to original at least do a clean job. Sorry I just had to vent!!
ps--latest occurence>> took off steering wheel>>no pounding>> now the power steering unit is leaking>> guess I will be tearing that off this weekend to rebuild it.

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Rock_Picker

12-06-2003 17:33:58




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 Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to Chris C, 12-05-2003 06:49:38  
Yup, I discovered that only a "very few" of us own tools. Everything I buy seems to be like your machine. Guess there are a lot of folks just too busy or to lazy to fix things. I'm keepin' my tools, they will be collectors items one day..... ..... ..... ..RP



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Roger WI

12-05-2003 20:21:55




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 Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to Chris C, 12-05-2003 06:49:38  
I think that is part of the fun of restoring those old tractors. I remember my dad never had the right size bolts so he used washers and oversized nuts as spacers if the bolt he had was too long. He did not own a cotter pin, always used wire or a nail. The B I just restored was a classic. One example was that the support for the radiator got broken off, so whoever fixed it took an old cream separator wrench and drilled holes in it to use as a radiator support on that end. It is sometimes a challenge just to identify the things used like this separator wrench. The H I am working on now was rewired by just running wires from point A to point B directly, no wire harness. The battery was mounted with a rubber cord (no battery box). Roger

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NDS

12-05-2003 17:42:02




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 Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to Chris C, 12-05-2003 06:49:38  
Not defending sloppy work but one reason most full time farmers replaced these old tractors many years ago was that they were to point that they wre constantly needing repairs. You can go through well worn old tractor front to back top to bottom and put everything in tip top shape and they will still not be as dependable as new tractor. If you are running old machinery you can exspect things to leak, break and bend. Just my two cents.

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Red Rider

12-05-2003 20:06:46




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 Re: Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to NDS, 12-05-2003 17:42:02  
Sorry NDS but your wrong. An old tractor that is maintained is just as reliable as a new tractor if kept in tip top condition. Even a new tractor that is not taken care of is not very reliable.



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RayP(MI)

12-05-2003 15:48:50




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 Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to Chris C, 12-05-2003 06:49:38  
Not to support sloppy workmanship, but you've got to consider that often repairs are made under fire - to get the field harvested in the face of bad weather, etc. and when the crisis was over, there was no rush to do the job right!



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The Red

12-05-2003 13:53:05




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 Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to Chris C, 12-05-2003 06:49:38  
The more cobbled up they are, the more fun I have. I like bringing something from near death back to life. Bringing the JD 4400 combine back to a road ready condition after not running for 6 years was a real thrill. Bringing Raceway M back to life after 6 years idle also gave me that same satisfaction. Other then weather related, Old Raceway M was in pretty good shape and not really cobbled with a lot of bailing wire, etc.

My next challenge is to own my Grandpa's H which needs major TLC. That is a challenge I hope to tackle in 2004. At least it is in my barn out of the weather even though I do not own it.

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Kelly C

12-05-2003 14:14:53




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 Re: Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to The Red, 12-05-2003 13:53:05  
Hey Red I got left out of the loop on the Combine. I remember you posting about getting it out of the brush. Then nothing else. Wheres the poop?????



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The Red

12-05-2003 14:39:02




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 Re: Re: Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to Kelly C, 12-05-2003 14:14:53  
Just select articles in the left tool bar, then under restoration, select "The Revival of a John Deere Combine" and also "The Revival of a John Deere Combine, part II".



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Kelly C

12-05-2003 15:08:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to The Red, 12-05-2003 14:39:02  
Cool beans. I hadnt even been to that section of the web site before. A whole new area for me to peruse.



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Dick

12-05-2003 11:23:25




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 Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to Chris C, 12-05-2003 06:49:38  
I've always heard that you use baling twine for temporary repairs and baling wire for permanent repairs.



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moonlite

12-05-2003 11:00:41




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 Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to Chris C, 12-05-2003 06:49:38  
I find it interesting although costly at times to discover how people chose to repair things and apparently to get them to function. my most interesting was a starter which was working and I thought since it was removed from the tractor I would replace the brushes and bushings. When I removed the band i discocered that the brush springs ere gone and pieces of an inner tube had been ttuffed on top of the brushes to press them down. The sane tractor had holes in castings stripped and cap screws had ben placed in the holes and welded to the steel parts to hold them to the castings.

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moonlite

12-05-2003 10:56:25




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 Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to Chris C, 12-05-2003 06:49:38  
I find it interesting although costly at times to discover how people chose to repair things and apparently to get them to function. my most interesting was a starter which was working and I thought since it was removed from the tractor I would replace the brushes and bushings. When I removed the band i discocered that the brush springs ere gone and pieces of an inner tube had been ttuffed on top of the brushes to press them down. The sane tractor had holes in castings stripped and cap screws had ben placed in the holes and welded to the steel parts to hold them to the castings.

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moonlite

12-05-2003 10:50:38




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 Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to Chris C, 12-05-2003 06:49:38  
I find it interesting although costly at times to discover how people chose to repair things and apparently to get them to function. my most interesting was a starter which was working and I thought since it was removed from the tractor I would replace the brushes and bushings. When I removed the band i discocered that the brush springs ere gone and pieces of an inner tube had been ttuffed on top of the brushes to press them down. The sane tractor had holes in castings stripped and cap screws had ben placed in the holes and welded to the steel parts to hold them to the castings.

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BigRed

12-05-2003 10:08:10




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 Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to Chris C, 12-05-2003 06:49:38  
Have done a lot of fixing with baling wire, some temporary, and some permanant. On a 1066, rollpin kept coming out of hole on the shifting linkage. A little wire helped fix that problem. I think some things are cobbled, and some things are fixed with baling wire.



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Rick

12-05-2003 09:48:39




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 Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to Chris C, 12-05-2003 06:49:38  
Cry baby



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Chas K.

12-05-2003 07:18:38




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 Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to Chris C, 12-05-2003 06:49:38  
I would have to agree with you here. But in defense of all the cobbling I've done over the years..... .if it was a weekend or " after hours" or if hay was down with rain on the way.....if the cobble job fixed the problem and it never became a problem again.....why mess with it more?? But, as time allows when I do go back to " do it right", even I sometimes wonder what I was thinking on that day!! It's all part of the fun, isn't it though??

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Chris C.

12-05-2003 07:26:05




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 Re: Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to Chas K., 12-05-2003 07:18:38  
Yeah it is; I wouldn't have been happy if I couldn't work on it a little. In all the years we farmed we rarely left anything cobbled...and for as much as this guy didn't use this tractor he had plenty of time to fix it right. I KNOW WHERE THIS IS GOING>>>SOMEDAY THIS TRACTOR WILL END UP MOSTLY RESTORED>>>AAGGH.>>Why do I do this to my self??



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Bill

12-05-2003 08:55:29




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 Re: Re: Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to Chris C., 12-05-2003 07:26:05  
Chris, I have done exactly what you are doing over and over. It all started with a tractor to mow with at my church. Then dad helped me find and A that needed work, Being raised on a farm and having an old A, well you know what happened over the next winter. Then, there was a 300 to move dirt, a 350 that had a small fire I could get real cheap and a 450 that dad had that I really wanted...not needed, wanted. But, I had to stop...the shop is full and I refuse to let them set outside...even the junk. Heck, I may need one of those old parts one day. I even kept the wooden plug that had been in a radiator drain. It's something to talk about on rainy days.
I feel your pain...and joy of doing things right.

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ken

12-05-2003 17:32:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OK now I'm getting mad!!!! in reply to Bill, 12-05-2003 08:55:29  
the one thing that just totally makes me wonder (what were they doing)on my 460 utility ,when i got this they said the clutch was slipping an sure enough it was.so went to adjust it and it was clear to the end of the threads and after scraping the grease off of it i see somebody welded a little piece in the middle making it about an inch and a half longer!



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