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Jim

12-08-2003 17:33:41




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Just curious...the manual and service guide for my 300 refer to an oil dipstick, but my 300 doesnt have one.Instead it has the petcock on the oilpan like an H. Its a legit 300..C169 manufactured in Feb 55 according to casting code.
Was it an option or standard? I saw a reference to distallate engines not having one, but mine shows no sign of ever being a distallate engine.
Not important, Im just curious. anyone have any ideas?

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Hugh MacKay

12-09-2003 04:07:35




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 Re: 300 dipstick in reply to Jim, 12-08-2003 17:33:41  
Jim: Randy is right, this was not a random left over parts item but rather the use for dual fuels.



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Van

12-09-2003 04:33:22




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 Re: Re: 300 dipstick in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-09-2003 04:07:35  
Hugh,
Then please explain that my 300 is gas and not dual fuel. Dipsticks did not come out until 1956 on 300's.



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Hugh MacKay

12-09-2003 05:13:16




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 Re: Re: Re: 300 dipstick in reply to Van, 12-09-2003 04:33:22  
Van: My 300 which I don't have anymore, so don't have serial number was bought new by my dad in June of 1955 so it could easily have been a 54, living some 2,000 mile from the factory. It did indeed have a dipstick. I'm not saying all these tractors had all the equipment for dual fuel. However the farmers in some areas wanted them so conversion was possible should economic climate dictate the need. Remember they at that time, were indeed less than 10 years away from WW#2 and Korean war. The cold war was very much a fact of life. The American farmer knew then these tractors would last 25 years+ and he didn't want to own a tractor he couldn't buy fuel for. These guys were frugal people. They knew that with a mule, horse or ox, the economy could not run them out of fuel.

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Van

12-09-2003 19:59:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 300 dipstick in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-09-2003 05:13:16  
Hugh,
I agree with what you are saying, and maybe IH just used a few H pans that were found in the mess in the warehouse on later models. I wish they kept better records in those days, wouldn't it be great if we could get a copy of the original build sheets and invoices to see how a certain one was equipped from the factory and where and who bought it? Ive seen some wierd variations of the same model and year. I knew a guy that has his dads H from 1946 that is in fact a X1 serial number, but has a distillate tank setup and shutters too. The guy is older than me and swears the tractor is original and was bought new that way. What a mess, eh?
Have a great day, Van

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Jim

12-09-2003 06:33:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 300 dipstick in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-09-2003 05:13:16  
Im not sure what all makes a distallate tractor, but mine doesnt have the small tank, radiator shutters, and the carb appears to be a standard Zenith. All it has is the two oil level petcocks.
The serial # is 8013 SJ.



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Hugh MacKay

12-09-2003 07:20:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 300 dipstick in reply to Jim, 12-09-2003 06:33:34  
Jim: Hard to say with your situation. What is engine serial number just under no 1 plug, a flat machined surface, with a stamped number. Is there a possiblity this engine came from another tractor. Could the sheet metal come from another tractor. Could someone have removed the small tank, shutters, carb, etc. Casting codes can tell you a lot. If for example your engine has an older casting code it could be from a Super H.

I do know the J in your serial number stands for Rockford clutch. The S I have heard but slips memory at moment. I do know the dual fuel was an option at least as far as 130, 230, 350 and 450. It is in the manual of my 130 as an option.

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Van

12-08-2003 22:01:08




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 Re: 300 dipstick in reply to Jim, 12-08-2003 17:33:41  
Jim,
I have two 300 farmalls, one 1955 gas model and a 1956 model on propane. The 1955 machine has the petcocks and the 1956 one has the dipstick. The tractors were in my family in the 1970's when I was a kid and my dad worked for a harvester dealership. The dealership owner told me when I questioned him about it that the 1955 300's and 400's were "transition" tractors from the Super H and M's and that some of the early ones were built with the old style pans installed. I have one of each and have to check them both differently. Hope this helps.
Van

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randy hall

12-08-2003 20:19:43




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 Re: 300 dipstick in reply to Jim, 12-08-2003 17:33:41  
if the oil pan has only one petcock your tractor was originally a low compression model.



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randy hall

12-08-2003 20:15:59




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 Re: 300 dipstick in reply to Jim, 12-08-2003 17:33:41  
if the oil pan has only one petcock your tractor was originally a low compression model.



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