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HELP!! What is it????????

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ChadS

12-15-2003 10:51:41




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I bought a 6 cyl gas head this morning, I looked through all of my IH books I can't find the casting number any where in the books. The guy thought it was off of a combine,, but which one? Don't rememeber.... It has a smaller compression chamber,,,, anyways,, the casting number is 69717-R1. and the date code is 6-22-B. there is also a 5 X casted above the casting number. What is this head off of? Any help would be great!! Thanks,, CHadS

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ChadS

12-15-2003 19:30:36




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 Re: HELP!! What is it???????? in reply to ChadS, 12-15-2003 10:51:41  
I found it!! It is from a truck engine L-180??? I belive what the Navistar shop told me,, It was made from 58-69. ChadS



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Buzzman72

12-16-2003 06:30:54




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 Re: Re: HELP!! What is it???????? in reply to ChadS, 12-15-2003 19:30:36  
I think your truck guy is shooting in the dark...mainly because the L-series trucks were 1950 to 1952 models (some leftover '52's were sold & titled as '53's in some locations). So let's look at this logically. If it's from an L-series, that would be '50 to '52...but that number doesn't come up in my parts books for the SD-220/SD-240 used in most L-series thru 170. It might be from an RD-series, but since those were larger sixes, I don't think that's likely. My best guess would be a BD-series engine. My Glenn Mitchell Interchange Manual shows the '57-'59 BD-220 to use a 164415-R head, and the '60-'63 BD-240/BG-241 to use a 164415-R head. And walking outside to examine my '51 and '52 L-110 pickups didn't reveal any external casting numbers...but it did bring something else to mind. The stock SD-220 engine in the '51 uses a narrower valve cover, as it's what is referred to as a "non-tilt valve" engine...while the BD-264 that somebody transplanted into the '52 uses a wider and taller bvlave cover, and IS what they call a "tilt-valve" engine.

So the "tilt-valve" vs. "non-tilt valve" heads might also affect piston clearance; that is, if your pistons are set up for a tilt-valve head, a non-tilt valve head might have some piston-to valve interference. I know this probably confuses the issue some, but from what I'm discovering--since I don't have a '53-up truck parts manual--is that you've probably got a BD-220 or BD-240 head, of the non-tilt valve variety. BTW, my parts book shows the SD-220/240 head part number to be 76980-R92 (with valves) and 76979-R91 (with guides only).

Hope this is more help than hindrance!

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Chads

12-16-2003 17:02:28




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 Re: Re: Re: HELP!! What is it???????? in reply to Buzzman72, 12-16-2003 06:30:54  
you are right about the valve being straight up and down.. the tractor head is tilted. Thanks Buzzman,, I forgot tha you knew about those truck engines,, ChadS



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Guy Fay

12-15-2003 16:43:11




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 Re: HELP!! What is it???????? in reply to ChadS, 12-15-2003 10:51:41  
If it's an R-1 parts number, it has to be after 1945, so that eliminates the earlier possibilities.



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CNKS

12-15-2003 18:06:18




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 Re: Re: HELP!! What is it???????? in reply to Guy Fay, 12-15-2003 16:43:11  
Then with the date code it's a 1956 something or other, probably a truck engine? Although the R designation is explained in your data book, I never read that part -- thanks for reminding me.



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jason

12-15-2003 15:01:21




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 Re: HELP!! What is it???????? in reply to ChadS, 12-15-2003 10:51:41  
sorry to change the subject, but what books are you talking about? i am trying to get a book collection so when i get out of college i have enough informatin to make a "tractor collection" are these just part numbers books or somthign special? and do they have info on valve size, chamber size, or just casting numbers and what fits what. thanks!



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ChadS

12-15-2003 19:34:07




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 Re: Re: HELP!! What is it???????? in reply to jason, 12-15-2003 15:01:21  
The books I have are the original IH parts manuals from the dealerships and parts counters. Everything from a Farmall regular to a 1066. Dad bought them at an auction when IH sold out locally. I don't know if they are special,, but they have just about every option and exploded veiws and part numbers for all of the above. ChadS



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CNKS

12-15-2003 13:31:48




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 Re: HELP!! What is it???????? in reply to ChadS, 12-15-2003 10:51:41  
B indicates either 1932 or 1956. Don't know if IH had 6 cyl in 1932, unless it was a truck engine. The 6 cyl tractors did not appear until 1958. I don't know about combines or stationary power units. Probably off a truck engine? -- if they also used casting codes.



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ChadS

12-15-2003 14:38:40




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 Re: Re: HELP!! What is it???????? in reply to CNKS, 12-15-2003 13:31:48  
Thanks guys!!! ChadS



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rustyfarmall

12-15-2003 14:03:13




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 Re: Re: HELP!! What is it???????? in reply to CNKS, 12-15-2003 13:31:48  
I think the W-40 tractor did use a 6 cylinder truck engine, which would have been around 1932?
I don't think there was a combine in 1956 which used a 6 cylinder engine. I could be way off here.



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CNKS

12-15-2003 17:57:18




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 Re: Re: Re: HELP!! What is it???????? in reply to rustyfarmall, 12-15-2003 14:03:13  
W-40 1937-1940 and variants used a 6 cyl engine according to Guy Fay's Data Book.



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Paul in Mich

12-15-2003 17:28:31




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 Re: Re: Re: HELP!! What is it???????? in reply to rustyfarmall, 12-15-2003 14:03:13  
Rusty, The 125 sp and 125spv both used truck engines, but thats as much as I know. Guy states that R-1 makes it post 1945, but that could cover a lot of engines. There were earlier combines dating to the late 1930's that also had a 6 cylinder truck engine. I remember my grandfather replacing the engine of the 1940 D model truck with the combine engine around 1950 since it had fewer hours when the machine was retired and the truck engine was using oil at an exponential rate. (Thats short for burning it out faster than pouring it in)

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ChadS

12-15-2003 14:37:50




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 Re: Re: Re: HELP!! What is it???????? in reply to rustyfarmall, 12-15-2003 14:03:13  
It is the same head gasket as the 263,301, etc blocks, it has a different thermostat casting as well, instead of being round, it is kind of square shaped. I am thinking it is a truck head,, since there is no numbers for it in the tracotr listings, Did IH ever restart the letter codes in the later years? ChadS



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