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Painting bolts on tractor?

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Justin

12-27-2003 13:14:09




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Have a Farmall H. It was prepainted when I got it. Everything was painted, even the belt!

My belief is that the bolts should be left unpainted. Otherwise, if you remove or loosen the bolts with wrenches, it is a chance that the paint on the bolt will become scratched or taken off. I think it adds a little class to the tractor to have stainless steel bolts showing instead of painted ones with quite a bit of scratch marks.

I suppose painting them would be better if the tractor was to sit out, but if it is kept inside, I suppose stainless steel without the paint would do. What does everyone else think?

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Bill Smith

12-28-2003 11:38:24




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 Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to Justin, 12-27-2003 13:14:09  
My thought is to paint them. If you are restoring, then you should be fixing anything that is wrong before painting. Knock on wood and you won't be needing to work on the tractor for along time (thus not tearing the paint up on the bolt heads). By the time you use the tractor long enough to need some repair work done, you are going to have some paint damage on tractor whether it be scatches, chips, or even fading. At that point, who the heck is going to care if the paint on the bolts show a little abuse. Some factory original nut is always going to say, this was painted and this was not. Here is my opinion. The paint job in the factory was done on a mass producing level. That is why you are going to see items that should be painted, unpainted and items that should of been unpainted, painted. If the factory could of cost efficiently fixed the problem, they would of. In other words, it was cheaper for factory to put in some unpainted bolts here and there (not sure where all at myself) than to have some body painting them before installation. It would of slowed down production probably too. Well anyway, I say take the time and do the little things to make the paint job better than it was from factory. I mean do the things that was not done at factory because it wasn't feasable. So be sure to PAINT all those bolt heads, and leave I.D. tags and plates, hoses, hose clamps, wires, belts, tires, light lenses, spark plugs, gauges, rubber on steering wheel and manifold, and muffler, UN-PAINTED. I personally think it looks better with a few items painted black. So I painted p.t.o. shaft, axels, knobs, and metal on the lights black. Not sure if the letters, or the background on the Farmall emblem is suppose to be black (the rest unpainted). I believe I painted the letters black but that could be wrong. So anyways, my two cents worth with be to do a better job than factory, but no need to go overboard with the customizing.

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Brian Schmidt

12-28-2003 06:42:55




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 Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to Justin, 12-27-2003 13:14:09  
A solution is to powder coat the bolt heads. This is a tough paint that does not chip off easily and harsh chemicals (like gas) do not harm it. I am starting to use it on things like gas caps, carbs, and bolt heads.

Harbor Freight sells the kit and the red powder they sell matches almost perfectly for IH 2150



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Stretch_03

12-28-2003 21:57:21




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 Re: Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to Brian Schmidt, 12-28-2003 06:42:55  
Brian,
Has powder coating evolved into something we can do at home? What special tools are required? Perhaps an oven?

If you don't want to reply here, send me an email about this. Thanks



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Will Sick

12-27-2003 17:30:46




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 Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to Justin, 12-27-2003 13:14:09  
Anyone can do whatever they wish to their tractor as several of you stated. In my opinion it depends on whether you want people to notice the bolts or the whole tractor.



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The Red Baron

12-27-2003 17:12:51




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 Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to Justin, 12-27-2003 13:14:09  
Clearly it is your decision. There is no great harm in choosing the path you seem to have chosen. I would hope though that you save those old bolts and nuts and pass them on to a new owner as a courtesy when that day comes that you sell your tractor. For my part I prefer greatly to paint the bolts and often take considerable trouble to do so. I re-used the old bolts whenever it was possible and one of these days I will come up with a composite order for all the old bolts that my tractors needed but I could not replace with the nice IH old style originals with the unique raised center dot. I did however use either brass or bronze bolts having anything to do with the radiator elbows and fan mount in place of where the water pump would be on the old F series tractors. I used a couple of bronze bolts to attach the stand pipe to the manifold and a couple of long stainless bolts to hold the two manifolds together. I was quite impressed with how the peculairly oversized bronze nuts holding the manifolds came off with ease even though I suspect they had never been removed in my life time. Additionally I always use some anti-seize when reassembling. I wouldn't want anyone to have to go through what I did in removing a part when I am gone, God willing, a long time from now.

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max adams

12-27-2003 17:07:27




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 Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to Justin, 12-27-2003 13:14:09  
well Justinlet me say this,i used to mess with muscle cars for years.and this is why i got out of it.i once saw two guys almost get into a fight
over the color of a return spring on a 440 six pack Cuda'.it's not worth all that.these old tractors,were not perfect from the factory. many of the guys who bought them new,made modifications not long after buying them.so,i agree with the one who said...it's yours,do it your way.thats my two cents...i'm sorry for rambling!

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In the Red

12-27-2003 16:38:49




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 Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to Justin, 12-27-2003 13:14:09  
I agree with you 100%. On the other hand the antique tractor world would probably disagree.I have found most serious owners of antique tractors would rather be close to original as they can afford,and there is nothing wrong with that. I would like to see more personalized/ custom tractors.If it looks good to you, Do It.You always see old cars chromed out and you will rarely see old tractor that way. Wonder Why???

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CNKS

12-27-2003 18:47:49




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 Re: Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to In the Red, 12-27-2003 16:38:49  
As the tractors get older there will be fewer and fewer of us that remember what they looked like when new. Customization in future years may make some people think such tractors were that way when new, leading to still more modifications. There are at least 2 classes of car restorers, those who want to restore the vehicle, and those who want to customize. Then there is everything in between. I hope the customization people never get interested in old tractors.

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max adams

12-27-2003 19:33:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to CNKS, 12-27-2003 18:47:49  
here,here CNKS.i hope they don't either.unfortunatly i think things are leaning
towards that,i mean concours restoring. i guess this is alright. i just think it takes away from the hobby.whether be hobby or livelyhood the people you meet at the shows and along the way are different.i mean they are freindly,willing to talk to you.a real pleasure...oh well i'm rambling again!



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Chrome Daddy

12-27-2003 18:59:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to CNKS, 12-27-2003 18:47:49  
surprise, Where here



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CNKS

12-27-2003 19:50:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to Chrome Daddy, 12-27-2003 18:59:24  
Any one can customize, as there are no rules. Takes a little more study and work to restore.



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Big Deal

12-27-2003 19:10:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to Chrome Daddy, 12-27-2003 18:59:24  
I hope your tractor customization attempts turn out better than your bungled two word missive. Clearly you are no spelling Ace.



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scotc

12-28-2003 08:53:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to Big Deal, 12-27-2003 19:10:00  
spelling's good. missing a ! and a , and a ?



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No, it wasn't

12-28-2003 10:51:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to scotc, 12-28-2003 08:53:31  
No. The spelling was not good. What our spelling Ace meant to say was "We're here". Not "Where here." The grammar he chose to use and thus the way he spelled it, made as little sense as his position.



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Haas

12-27-2003 15:32:24




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 Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to Justin, 12-27-2003 13:14:09  
If you are looking for originality, IH did not mask off much when they painted and certainly not bolts. If the bolts were not in when the painting was done, then they did not get painted, if they were in, then they got painted. I think when painting was done, the rims and tires were removed, so likely the rim to hub bolts were not painted. And yes according to Guy Fay's book, the fan belt was on the tractor and was painted by IH.

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sammy the RED

12-27-2003 14:43:03




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 Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to Justin, 12-27-2003 13:14:09  
It is your tractor.
Paint them if you want.
Don't paint them if you want.



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CNKS

12-27-2003 14:35:52




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 Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to Justin, 12-27-2003 13:14:09  
The correct police will probably say no, but I have seen them both ways. I don't think you want them all that way. Most new bolts are cadmium plated. I'm not painting the new bolts that hold the rear rims to the cast wheel, for example. I have seen cadmium plated bolts used to bolt the grille on, which looked ok. On some web site I saw a whole tractor done that way, I think it was one of the tractor part places -- thought it looked a little weird, but that's only an opinion. Do as you wish.

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richard

12-27-2003 14:17:43




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 Re: Painting bolts on tractor? in reply to Justin, 12-27-2003 13:14:09  
I have a coustomer who touches up all the exposed bolt heads when I am working on any of his machines,I installed a new plunger and repaired the knotters on his Deere baler this summer,by the time I was finished I had green hands,overalls and hair!



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