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bob

01-09-2004 07:37:24

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Tried to start the tractor this morning and it wouldn't start. I had it fully choked and may have flooded it before the battery ran low. It's a gas model with the 12v conversion. It had sat for a few days and it was 10 below this morning. Any advice for these cold mornings? Supposed to have a windchill of 40 below tonight.

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Hugh MacKay

01-09-2004 19:23:20

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Re: Super M winter starting advice in reply to bob, 01-09-2004 07:37:24

Bob: Lot of good advice in this thread, interesting part is only a couple of guys remotely touched on the most important one, namely block heater. During my farming days these became a must if you were running diesels in winter. We did however use those block heaters for the wrong reason. That being only to get them started. Since roughly 85% of all engine wear occurs in the first 5 minutes of a cold weather start, gas or diesel. Then it only makes sence to install a block heater, thus cutting down on that cold weather wear. In my opinion the circulating tank type about 1200 to 1500 watts was best as you only had to plug it in an hour or so before using tractor. The low wattage other type are fine if using tractor daily. I really believe you can reduce your engine wear substancially with a block heater. I know it feels great to have one of those macho tractors that will start at 30-40 below. It also feels great to keep engine rebuild cash in your wallet.

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john d

01-09-2004 18:16:14

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Re: Super M winter starting advice in reply to bob, 01-09-2004 07:37:24

I'm in agreement with most of the others about the choke not being needed much. I usually pull the choke on mine half-way, hit the starter, and push the choke in as it fires. Then it's a case of adding more choke to keep it running.

If you're where you have electrical service, an old hairdryer parked where it can blow hot air on the carb for about 10 minutes will help a lot.

I know there are folks who will cringe when I say this, but on REALLY cold starts, I've done like one other poster mentioned - a QUICK (VERY SMALL) whiff of ether into the air-cleaner screen, then get on it and start it up.

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Bill Smith

01-09-2004 10:13:03

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Re: Super M winter starting advice in reply to bob, 01-09-2004 07:37:24

I agree that it is probably not going to need severe choking. I ussually full choke 2 to 3 engine strokes and let off. If it don't fire up after several strokes after that, I might hit the choke again for a couple of strokes. Solid choking will likely flood the tractor right about the time it would of fired up if you would of let off the choke. Any ailment in the elctrical system (battery, starter, cables, connections) will be more apt to give you trouble in real cold weather. The first thing you will notice on that is the battery won't turn the tractor over like it should, or maybe act like it is dead. Maybe dump a thing of knox-ice or heat in the gas to insure moisture in gas lines don't freeze up. You may also wish to run a thinner oil in the engine during winter months (personally I don't mess with doing that). If I only have to do something short and basic, I will start tractor and do it during the warmest portion of the day, wich helps too.

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Farmall Don

01-09-2004 18:14:09

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Re: Re: Super M winter starting advice in reply to Bill Smith, 01-09-2004 10:13:03

This is what I do with my M. I use the full choke for one to two strokes and that is it or it floods on me.

It never fails me. Good Luck.

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Dick Kline

01-09-2004 09:19:19

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Re: Super M winter starting advice in reply to bob, 01-09-2004 07:37:24

We had a SMD that was 12v to start with. Used two six volt batteries. Tried to use a single 12v and had nothing but trouble when it was cold.

Two heavy duty six's might be hard to find today, but two 12's wired together might give additional capacity to do the trick

Just a thought..... ..... ..

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Bob M

01-09-2004 08:10:05

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Re: Super M winter starting advice in reply to bob, 01-09-2004 07:37:24

My Super M (also Super H) need only a bit of choke even in the coldest weather (-20 deg). What works for mine is to open the throttle about 1/3 then pull the choke fully. A moment after you hit the starter push the choke all the way back in - so the crank makes only 1 - 2 revolutions at full choke. The engine should fire immedidately. Then gently work the choke again if needed to keep the engine running. (On mine partial choke is needed only for a few seconds until it smooths out.) Finally let the engine idle to warm up for several minutes before putting it under load load.

Stay warm!!

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Hugh MacKay

01-09-2004 08:24:19

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Re: Re: Super M winter starting advice in reply to Bob M, 01-09-2004 08:10:05

Bob: My gas Farmalls all work that way as well, as you say about 2 revolutions push choke in, they will fire up, then just feather the choke as needed. I think 90% of all gas Farmalls work that way even with Champion plugs. See my posts on page 3 re the guy with SH.

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Bob M

01-09-2004 10:19:12

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Re: Re: Re: Super M winter starting advice in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-09-2004 08:24:19

Yeah Hugh... My experience has been the same with virtually every gas Farmall I've ever operated - also with gas Olivers.

However my old Minnie Mo "U" needs 8 - 10 crank revolutions at full choke before it'll fire. But once it does it'll continue to run without the choke in all but the most bitter cold.

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SAm in NS

01-09-2004 08:36:04

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Re: Re: Re: Super M winter starting advice in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-09-2004 08:24:19

That's about the way my Super A likes it as well as my friends International Super A and Farmall Super C. A couple of turns on full choke, push the choke in, it'll start and then adjust till it's running smoothly, and then when it starts running rough again push it in the rest of the way. SAm in NS

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bob

01-09-2004 09:12:09

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Super M winter starting advice in reply to SAm in NS, 01-09-2004 08:36:04

Thank you all for your input. I'll give it a try tonight. Hopefully it'll be ready for the upcoming snowdrifts.

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steveormary

01-09-2004 12:06:41

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Super M winter starting advice in reply to bob, 01-09-2004 09:12:09

Well,I used a different procedure. Open throttle couple notches and hit starter. When it started to fire up I would pull choke as needed to keep it running. Didnt flood it that way. Also had the M on 12 volt and had an external tank heater to use when it was cold.

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JPY

01-09-2004 13:47:55

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Super M winter starting ad in reply to steveormary, 01-09-2004 12:06:41

Grew up on a super m in northern indiana. Kept a can of ether and gave it a wif in the air intake on very cold days. worked every time!

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