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Remotes and lift-all on SMTA

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Dave H (MI)

01-14-2004 14:56:19




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Does anyone know if the SMTA came standard with remote hydraulics AND lift-all? Have you ever seen an MTA that had one without the other? Much appreciate the info.

(Man, is it snowing here!)




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Bob M

01-14-2004 18:52:28




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 Re: Remotes and lift-all on SMTA in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-14-2004 14:56:19  
Dave - Boog described it right. There were two versions of live hydraulics on the SMTA: The Lift-All and the Hydraulic Remote. The Lift-All was for single acting cylinders and incorporated a delayed rear cylinder lift feature - same as the old belly pump system except of course it was now live. For extra $$ the Hydraulic Remote Control (the remote 4-way or "Christmas tree" valve) was offered to accommodate double acting cylinders. By latching the Lift-All control handle in the "raise" position, the Lift-All was bypassed and pressure was fed to the hydraulic remote control valve.

So technically an SMTA equipped with remote hydraulics by default also had a Lift-All.

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NDS

01-14-2004 17:20:19




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 Re: Remotes and lift-all on SMTA in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-14-2004 14:56:19  
If by liftall you mean belly pump hydraulics (that is what IH called belly pump)I do not believe it could be installed on SMTA. The center casting or torque tube are entirely different on SM and SMTA. I have seen SM with live hydraulics and belly pump liftall though.



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boog

01-14-2004 18:24:32




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 Re: Re: Remotes and lift-all on SMTA in reply to NDS, 01-14-2004 17:20:19  
The SMTA used the Liftall, it was located underneath the gas tank like the stage 2 SMs. The hyd pump was operated off the timing gear. 2-Way remote hyds were available on the SMTA but to operate you had to lock the Liftall on and then use the 2 way.



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NDS

01-15-2004 05:18:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Remotes and lift-all on SMTA in reply to boog, 01-14-2004 18:24:32  
You just described live hydraulics. The old belly pump liftall used on M and stage 1 SM had pump, control valve and resevoir mounted underneath tractor in one unit with pump driven off front of transmission.



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NDS

01-15-2004 05:53:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Remotes and lift-all on SMTA in reply to NDS, 01-15-2004 05:18:07  
I believe IH called the unit mounted under gas tank for live hydraulics the resevoir, control valve body and control valve handle.



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randy hall

01-15-2004 07:17:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Remotes and lift-all on SMTA in reply to NDS, 01-15-2004 05:53:40  
in the specs on the price sheet for a super mta it says hydraulic lift-all with engine driven pump.



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NDS

01-15-2004 11:16:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Remotes and lift-all on SM in reply to randy hall, 01-15-2004 07:17:12  
Do not think we really disagree. Just a matter of different definitions of terms.



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randy hall

01-14-2004 15:13:23




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 Re: Remotes and lift-all on SMTA in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-14-2004 14:56:19  
i have an original price list for super mta tractors. the hydraulic pump was standard but the remote hydraulic control was a $66.50 option. i'm sure you could order one without hydraulics because we had a neigbor that bought a new 300 without any hydraulics. by the way the ta wasn't standard equipment, it was a $100 option. the live pto was also an option that cost $135.



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Dave H (MI)

01-14-2004 16:57:14




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 Re: Re: Remotes and lift-all on SMTA in reply to randy hall, 01-14-2004 15:13:23  
Now I am confused. I'm thinking of this tractor as a Super M. Now when you chose the TA option you had the SMTA, right? They didn't actually make an SMTA without TA did they? Wouldn't that just be a Super M? Further, I had always been of the impression that the SMTA came with pto and hydraulics that were live and live. I had always heard that this was the great appeal of the MTA was that it had the live hydraulics/pto. I hope I am saying this right.

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randy hall

01-14-2004 18:42:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Remotes and lift-all on SMTA in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-14-2004 16:57:14  
dave there were a few super m's made that have '54 serial numbers but i believe that these were made before super mta production got started. on the cover of my super mta owners manual it reads for super mta tractors and super mta tractors with torque amplifier. the ta and pto's were always optrions on tractors that they were available on. i have a 450 that has never had a ta and the pto is transmission driven, like an 'm'

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CNKS

01-14-2004 18:21:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Remotes and lift-all on SMTA in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-14-2004 16:57:14  
My understanding is that SMTA's without TA had the housing for the TA (longer torque tube/clutch housing). The MTA without the TA could have either a transmission driven PTO or an independent PTO, just as an MTA with TA could have either PTO.



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boog

01-14-2004 18:30:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Remotes and lift-all on SMTA in reply to CNKS, 01-14-2004 18:21:32  
Dave H, you are correct, the SMTA w/o the TA used the same housings as the one with. It even had the bracket for the TA handle to attach to. The SMTA w/o TA had the round decal that said SMTA, but didnot have the "flag" at the bottom that said "Torque Amplified".

In '54 IH also made the reg SM. It's easy to distinquish as the SMTA had about 4" of clearance between the gas tank & the steering column whereas the SM's gas tank almost touched the column.

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Nebraska Cowman

01-14-2004 17:01:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Remotes and lift-all on SMTA in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-14-2004 16:57:14  
Yes Dave, this has been brought up before. they DID make some SMTA without TA.



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Dave H (MI)

01-14-2004 19:14:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Remotes and lift-all on SMTA in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-14-2004 17:01:55  
You always have the option of not responding if we are keeping you away from something more important.



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Nebraska Cowman

01-15-2004 02:46:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Remotes and lift-all on SMTA in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-14-2004 19:14:26  
What????? ?????
Did I say something wrong?



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Dave H (MI)

01-15-2004 06:52:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Remotes and lift-all on SM in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-15-2004 02:46:34  
No...not really. Just came in from a wonderful snow-plowing experience (NOT!) and the tone rankled me a little is all. I won't bore you with the whole story but we have an assortment of old and new, tractors and cars around here. We got really dumped on with snow. The new car got stuck and the new tractor died in the middle of the road. If it wasn't for my 49 year old Farmall and my 14 year old Lincoln they would both still be out there buried in the snow. Between the irony and the frustration....well....sorry if I wised off on you. Appreciate all the info you guys have provided!

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the tractor vet

01-14-2004 15:11:36




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 Re: Remotes and lift-all on SMTA in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-14-2004 14:56:19  
I would have to say with all of them that i have seen and been around that they came with single acting and double acting was a option as one of my old customers has one that he bought new and it only had single on it for years till i instaled the double on it the other one that he bought 5or6 years ago came with double in other words they all came with single acting and ya could add the other.

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BIG JOHN

01-14-2004 15:10:05




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 Re: Remotes and lift-all on SMTA in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-14-2004 14:56:19  
I have a SMTA that only has live hydraulics



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