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Professional Tinkering 6 to 12 volt

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Kevin Westling

01-19-2004 07:27:49




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I have been reading several of the posts and have even printed the diagram for converting 6 volt to 12 volt. My Super C has already been converted to 12V but I recently had to replace the alternator and battery. The battery never charged properly, but I have found out from the info on this site that it has been wired differently. I will use the diagram on this site(12 Volt Alternator Conversion Schematic for Farmall Super M >Link

1. What is the purpose for the warning light that is inline from the ignition switch to the number 1 terminal on the 10SI alternator?

2. I did not find a ballast resistor inline to the coil(should I assume it is a 12V because at one time it ran and started fine with this setup) and how do I tell if it is a 12 volt?) Assuming the ballast resistor is used to decrease the current to the 6V coil, would it harm the coil if one isn't used or can you replace the coil with a 12V and don't use the resistor?

3. I had to replace my ammeter. Is it OK to go with a 12V replacement?

4. And the contacts on my starter switch are very worn and barely make contact when the switch is fully depressed. I cleaned them well and am getting it to turn for now. I'm trying to not have to replace it. Has anyone ever modified the copper contact end on the switch by building it up with a conductive material? I was thinking about drilling small holes on the end of the switch contact and putting in a couple small screws to increase the reach to the contact side of the starter? Any thoughts?

This site has bee an excellent resource for Professional Tinkering. And when a problem persists on my tractor, I can always count on you guys to help me out. Maybe someday I will take the reins and off my advice. I am just glad I'm not 20 any more because with my stupid young will I probably wouldn't even have a tractor that runs at all. I can get quite confused and frustrated. But now i just step back, grab a beer, and work on something else until the next possibility comes to mind to try and fix my problem.

Keep up the great work posting solutions! So many of us take so much pride in our work and we just need that little bit of advice form the veterans.

Thanks. Kevin

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Hugh MacKay

01-19-2004 13:19:59




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 Re: Professional Tinkering 6 to 12 volt in reply to Kevin Westling, 01-19-2004 07:27:49  
Kevin: Bob M's diagrams are excellent, however I do some modification with them. I always go to the 12 volt coil, if it is a 12 volt conversion. It is just as economical in the long run In place of the light I use a push buttom type switch. If I want to excit the alternator I just hit the push button. The first tractor I converted was to a 6 volt alternator, and I couldn't find a 6 volt light to do the job. The second conversion I did was to 12 volt alternator. That one did not always shutt tractor down as switch was turned off, I was still getting feed back from alternator. The light also kept burning out, so I added a push button to that one also. The third one I did, was push button from day one. The other thing I like about the push button is if you watch the amp gauge as you push the button you know alternator is working without installing a volt meter.

I will also say this, none of my tractors would be 12 volt if it were not for the fact I have a couple of attachments with 12 volt motors. Last week it was about -15 F here, I started all three of my tractors. From the time I pulled the ignition switch button on my 6 volt Super A, it fired up in less than 10 seconds. The 12 volt 130 and 140 took a bit longer, probably 35 to 45 seconds. I am certain, had it been 10 degrees colder, 6 volt Super A, still would have started, the other two would not have started.

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Jeff-Ohio

01-19-2004 12:46:38




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 Re: Professional Tinkering 6 to 12 volt in reply to Kevin Westling, 01-19-2004 07:27:49  
I liked everything about Bob's 12-volt conversion but I would like to throw my 2 cents in as well. After taking the generator and its mountings out, make sure you hold on to them instead of tossing them in the scrap barrel. Somewhere down the line, you or someone else may want to convert the tractor back to original and having the generator will save the owner time and $$ trying to round this stuff up.

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Dan

01-19-2004 10:21:03




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 Re: Professional Tinkering 6 to 12 volt in reply to Kevin Westling, 01-19-2004 07:27:49  
If you go by the wiring diagram for the conversion done by Bob M you can't go wrong. The light from the # one terminal is as mentioned below, like a diode to keep the system from back feeding when yo try to shut it off. Without it you can't shut off the engine. You can also use a diode or resister in the line, I used a resister on mine. The amp meter won't care what voltage it is unless it is illuminated and that will take a 12 volt bulb. Depending upon the size alternator though you may want a higher reading one. As far as the coil, there is a way to check resistance on it, if you search archives on this site you should be able to find it. If it was converted to 12 volt with internal resister you willnot need the ballist resister. Ballast resister is the cheap way to go, much cheaper than a new coil. Not sure if you can build up starter contact or not. If you get it hot enough to add metal you may melt somethign inside. I had mine converted to a bolt and used a solenoid and starter button instead of the lever. Worked for me but I'm not trying to stay original. If you take it to a starter rebuild place they can put a new contact lug on. In mine the guy changed the windings to 12 volt. Guys will say that the 6 volt is adequate and that is true if everything is right on it. I like the 12 volt conversion on my SMTA and JD430. I have had no problems with either but here again they are users, not showers.

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K.B.

01-19-2004 10:08:36




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 Re: Professional Tinkering 6 to 12 volt in reply to Kevin Westling, 01-19-2004 07:27:49  
1. The purpose of the light bulb is to provide resistance, to keep the alternator from backfeeding through the ignition, which would cause the engine to keep running once the key switch has been turned off. You could use a resistor or a diode instead of the light bulb.

2. The resistor in the line to the coil is used to decrease voltage to the coil to 6 volts. If you run with 12 volts directly to a 6 volt coil, your points will burn up after about 25 hours. A 12 volt coil basically just has the resistor inside of it. Look at your coil, if it does not say somthing like "12-volt internally resisted", don't assume anything, just get yourself a 12-volt internally resisted coil or a 6 volt coil and an external resistor.

3. Ammeters are all the same. Doesn't matter if you run 6 volts or 12 volts through them.

4. Get a new switch. They're cheap. With a bad connection like that, your starter will not be able to turn the engine over as fast as it could, which is pretty much the whole point of switching to 12 volts in the first place.

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tractorboy

01-19-2004 07:38:47




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 Re: Professional Tinkering 6 to 12 volt in reply to Kevin Westling, 01-19-2004 07:27:49  
I am not a genius in this matter but have seen some rigs that use the warning light as a diode to keep alternattor from draining battery when not in use, I rigged my wife's 72 chevy pu this way and it works like a top.



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Doug in OR

01-19-2004 10:30:38




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 Re: Re: Professional Tinkering 6 to 12 volt in reply to tractorboy, 01-19-2004 07:38:47  
A lamp does not act like a diode. A diode will pass current in one direction, but not the other. A lamp will behave like a resistor. A variable resistor, in fact. As the lamp glows brighter, the resistance increases. In the case of how Bob M is using it, the lamp is designed to do 3 things. 1) It provides a current path to the exciter windings. 2) It acts as a warning light would act - it indicates alternator status. 3) It acts like a resistor - it drops the voltage when the alternator tries to backfeed to the ignition switch. This should prevent engine run-on.

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