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KX

01-27-2004 06:52:44




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Is the starter the same on M and H Farmall? Thanks.




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Jim in michigan

01-27-2004 07:20:51




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 Re: Starter for M in reply to KX, 01-27-2004 06:52:44  
yup



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Randy in NE

01-27-2004 07:05:16




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 Re: Starter for M in reply to KX, 01-27-2004 06:52:44  
According to my parts manual the H serial # 501-391357 and the M both use a Delco-Remy starter number 63608D. The H serial # 391358 and up uses part number 358160R91.



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rebuilder

01-27-2004 07:03:07




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 Re: Starter for M in reply to KX, 01-27-2004 06:52:44  
KX;

Yes the starters on the H's & M's are the same. The most common delco number(found on aluminum tag on starter casing) is 1107448 followed by 1107427. Both are essentially the same starter with a stud to bolt on the starter cable ans the same nose cone rotation. I use the same armatures and coils as well.



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KX

01-27-2004 07:20:40




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 Re: Re: Starter for M in reply to rebuilder, 01-27-2004 07:03:07  
THanks Randy.

Rebuilder, you are the man I need to talk to then. The windings came off the "hot" bolt going into my starter. Taking it apart, the rubber washers around the bolt that isolate it fell apart from being rotten. Where can i get that washer set or a equivelant bushing to isolate the stud and what type of solder to use to stick the windings back to the stud so thay stay for good? THANKS.

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rebuilder

01-27-2004 09:03:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Starter for M in reply to KX, 01-27-2004 07:20:40  
KX;

My first question is how did the stud(hot bolt) come loose? Did you over tighten it or too much cranking melting the solder away? I see alot of both. When, if ever, has this particular starter been rebuilt? If the stud came loose from excessive heat from too much cranking or other electrical problems I am concerned about the condition of the coils. Is the insulation(paper wrap sometimes dipped in varnish) charred or bubbled? How do your leads to the brushes look? Are they charred or bubbled?

To more directly answer your question, you should be able to get any Delco starter parts you need from you nearest NAPA store, although I doubt they will have the parts on hand a will have to order them in. If you have a parts book for you tractor, the actual delco #'s are listed as MFR #'s I.E. Both parts you are looking for are called Terminal Stud Insulation Washers--- part #1861076 and 1904669. These are old delco part #'s and may need to be superceded. You will need two of the large washer and three of the small washers which fit inside the casing( the book only calls for two). I don't recall at the moment which Part # goes to which washer. For your reference I get these from my supplier for pennies each although you will have to allow for shipping & handling charges which will cost more than the parts. Also, as you put your starter back together, perhaps you should have NAPA dress you armature up(the commutator end where the brushes ride gets pitted and corroded). and definately put new brushes on. Lastly any solder you have should be good enough for what you are doing. Just make sure you have the stud cleaned well and the coil end also. Make sure you get the coil end seated well in thes tud or it will rubb against the armature if you let it stick out too far. I use a small visegrip to hold the coil ends in and heat the stud FROM THE OUTSIDE so as not to damage the coil insulation. You will have to have the inside washers on befoer you solder, but I add the outsides later to save them from heat damage.

Alright, that should be enough to get you started since I could keep going!

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KX

01-27-2004 09:55:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Starter for M in reply to rebuilder, 01-27-2004 09:03:54  
Excellent. The insulation isn't bubbled on my coil leads but the stud was loose and I suspect only one lead was attached since I have had the tractor. The starter was always kinda sluggish. I suspect the last coil pair finally broke off the stud. Both leads are fairly good so maybe I can get both soldered back. With both sets of coils attached better I hope it spins faster. My brushes look ok, the commentator bar looks smooth, I was gonna polish it up a litle with fine grit paper. I appreciate the advice and part numbers. THANKS.

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