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kelly

01-31-2004 06:41:25




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Can anyone tell me how to fix a problem with my SuperA that only happpens in the cold? The motor will take off and run ungoverned at a very high speed till it warms up. I've attached a wire to some linkage on the carb that if I pull back on will slow the motor till it warms but I'd like to fix this before I do anymore snoplowing




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Kelly C

01-31-2004 15:13:31




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 Re: runaway motor in reply to kelly, 01-31-2004 06:41:25  
Hello Kelly!!! Great name you have there. I was told once that Kelly is a very important name in Ireland. Cant quite figure where my mother got the idea from though as we are Finlanders. :-/



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gene b

01-31-2004 13:18:35




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 Re: runaway motor in reply to kelly, 01-31-2004 06:41:25  
Moisture will get trapped in the gov housing real good and if it freezes you gov will stick intil it gets warmed up.



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Russ

01-31-2004 11:19:51




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 Re: runaway motor in reply to kelly, 01-31-2004 06:41:25  
Super A; I agree with Swenson. Put heat lamp or propane radiant heater in the area of the governor assembly to make it toasty for an hour or two. Should prevent the cold run up problem.
Good luck.



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Hugh MacKay

02-01-2004 15:58:03




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 Re: Re: runaway motor in reply to Russ, 01-31-2004 11:19:51  
Russ: I agree, heat should help, I have tried that and it works that one time. Tomorrow morning will be same all over. Read my post to Bus Driver.



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Bus Driver

01-31-2004 10:28:04




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 Re: runaway motor in reply to kelly, 01-31-2004 06:41:25  
Pull the throttle lever back to the slow idle position before shutting off the tractor and leave the lever there while the tractor is stopped. The only way the linkage could become frozen wide open is if the throttle lever is in that position during shutdown periods. I move the lever up to 1/3 to 1/2 throttle for cranking.



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Hugh MacKay

02-01-2004 15:53:39




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 Re: Re: runaway motor in reply to Bus Driver, 01-31-2004 10:28:04  
Bus Driver: My Super A has been doing much the same this winter as Kelly's. I believe it is condensation as I really haven't been using the tractor for anything. Just starting it every 2 to 3 weeks and letting warm up good, charge the battery, etc. Every time I have started it starts to run uncontrollably. If I would let it go it would go way over it's rated rpm. However I always grab the linkage between governor and carb and keep it slowed down. The last two times I shut the tractor down I did as you say, idle it as low as it will go before shutting down. No difference, today the tractor rev same as before. We have been having some quite cold temperatures here, since I last had it going, but today was near the freezing point. I thought a good day to warm up the SA and 140. 130 has been getting good exercise plowing snow.

I started Super A two turns of starter with choke and she fires right up I run for the carb linkage and for the first 90 seconds I have to hold it steady. After that I could let go but after about 20 seconds it's reving again. It took about 3 to 4 minutes and it settled down to normal. It has to be condensation in the governors. I am not getting any frost on outside of carb, and have methyl hydrate in fuel. I add a bit with each start knowing it evaporates. My 140 parked right beside it in shed fired right up and ran normal. The 130 has done this a bit on real cold mornings, but it only lasts 2 seconds, tractor doesn't even get to half throttle.

My dad and I had this same thing happen in Jan 1956 with Farmall 300. Tractor was only few months old at time. Tractor was outside, throttle had been left at low idle, temperature -40F. On the 300 there is no place to get your hands on linkage between governor and carb. That 300 fired up that morning quite quickly and was headed for my guess 3000 to 4000 rpm. I quickly jumped on placed tractor in 4th gear dropped the clutch held brakes on and headed for deep snow. My dad timed this and I was just over 7 minutes lugging the tractor, before it settled down. So it doesn't matter where throttle is left, as the engine if allowed will go far beyond the rated rpm. That 300 was bought new in June 1955, so it is not worn parts that does this. It has to be frozen condensation in the governors.

Don't ask me how it achives the over reving. Back a few years ago having governor off my Super A to replace the spring, I sat for an hour trying to figure how frost could do this if both input and output shaft were free. If anyone has ever figured this out please let us know. I have had this happen a dozen times on different tractors in the past 50 years. I realize my SA not being used is a prime target for condensation. However most of those dozen or so instances have been tractors working everyday. Always gas tractors and yes oil changed regularly as well.

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James Williams

01-31-2004 07:13:49




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 Re: runaway motor in reply to kelly, 01-31-2004 06:41:25  
Kelly,Im not sure how the sa is built but you defintly have moister or sludgey oil around your governor,or the linkage to your carb.I would try to expose all of your linkage and clean it by spraying it with some degreaser,maybe even with some pentrating oil,completely drain your oil, and refill,you might need to run at operating temt.than drain and refill again.



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Wayne Swenson

01-31-2004 07:01:24




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 Re: runaway motor in reply to kelly, 01-31-2004 06:41:25  
Most likely some ice has formed in the linkage that loosens up when the engine warms up.
Cover the radiator and try putting a tarp or some covering on the side of the engine to thoroughly warm the governor and evaporate the moisture in the engine.
If you haven't changed oil for a while, that may help some also.
Check for water in the oil pan by carefully removing the drain plug before starting the tractor next time and see if you get oil, water, or nothing which means ice has formed (or you have run out of oil!).
You could also put a heat lamp on the governor before starting and see if that loosens things up.
Keep us posted!

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