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Keith Theobald

02-08-2004 17:22:27




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Does someone know ,was a TA an option on 1954 Super M's or standard .A friend has a Super that by ser# was one of the last made in 54 but no TA????




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Max(ia)

02-09-2004 13:20:42




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 Re: Super MTA in reply to Keith Theobald, 02-08-2004 17:22:27  
Since you guys are on the MTA subject. I'm going to look at one tommorrow. My question is, if it has 14 or 15in rear tires, can I get the wheels in far enough to load on my 82in wide trailer,also about how much does one weigh? thanks



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CNKS

02-09-2004 17:52:02




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 Re: Re: Super MTA in reply to Max(ia), 02-09-2004 13:20:42  
You have to reverse one wheel. Weight depends on wheel weights, loaded tires, etc. A stripped Super M weighs around 5100 lbs, figure 300-400 or so for a Super M, plus added weights. So you really need a trailer stronger than the usual 7000#, since the tractor and trailer will barely fit within the 7000# GVW.



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boog

02-09-2004 06:43:28




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 Re: Super MTA in reply to Keith Theobald, 02-08-2004 17:22:27  
Technically, the TA was not an option on the SMTA. It was an option on the SMTA. AS CNK said the transmission housing was the same on the SMTA wheter it had the TA or not and the lower brackets are on the side of both sides. Also, CNK is correct in pointing out the differences in the decals.

I was not trying to be snobbish with my opening sentence. Both the SM & SMTA were available in 1954. The TA was not the only difference as the SMTA also was available with LPTO while the SM was not. An easy way to tell the difference between the two at a distance is tio look at the distance between the back of the gas tank & the steering column. This didtance will be approx 4" on a SMTA and about 1" on the SM due to the difference in the trans. housings.

As for serial #s, the SMTAs all started with TA and began at TA60001. Out of courosity, what is the serial # of your friend's tractor and where is it located?

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Guy Fay

02-09-2004 08:57:53




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 Re: Re: Super MTA in reply to boog, 02-09-2004 06:43:28  
The TA was an option on the Super MTA. I have confirmed this in several places, including the factory specification lists.

The Super M was built from November 1953 through January or so of 1954 (1954 "year" started in November, 1953). It was replaced in production by the Super MTA. Super Ms were never available with the TA.

The Super MTA was a model designation for the new model of tractor that included other changes besides the TA (IPTO availability was another major change. The TA was officially an option, but the special sales packages that IH produced for dealers to order in bulk for lot inventory all included TA. You esentially, as a farmer, had to order the bare bones Super MTA- very unlikely you would have found one on a lot. This is a great example of IH's "hard sell" methods. As another example, steel wheels were standard on H and M tractors from the start of production in 1939 until sometime after WWII. But how many H and M tractors were sold on steel in 1939, 1940, and 1941? Few

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Dick

02-09-2004 17:24:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Super MTA in reply to Guy Fay, 02-09-2004 08:57:53  
My 41' M originally was on steel until someone did change it over to rubber. She's a good ole gal anyway you look at her. My 2 cents.



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CNKS

02-09-2004 09:31:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Super MTA in reply to Guy Fay, 02-09-2004 08:57:53  
Guy, I still get confused on how the model year relates to the calendar year. I assume in your data book, serial #'s are listed by calender year? Yet, you said that the 1954 year started in Nov 1953? This is really not that important, unless we are trying to identify something such as a white demonstrator -- I always tell people they were produced during the 1st quarter of 1950, meaning Jan, Feb, and March -- If it was really Nov, Dec, and Jan, then the casting numbers (date of casting) I mention can be wrong by a couple of months. I have a C that was originally white, the oldest casting, I believe was in Sept 1949, perhaps that is too old for it to be a true 1950, by the calendar year? My C was probably assembled in the 2nd month of the quarter, either Dec or Feb.

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Don LC

02-08-2004 21:15:20




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 Re: Super MTA in reply to Keith Theobald, 02-08-2004 17:22:27  
I understand the TA was an option .....I don't think it was standard on any model..... .



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CNKS

02-08-2004 17:30:02




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 Re: Super MTA in reply to Keith Theobald, 02-08-2004 17:22:27  
It was an option. Most had the TA. The ones without the TA still had the TA housing, I believe, and were still called Super MTA's, but just had the round decal without the wing.



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