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derek carter

02-11-2004 19:42:24

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I have a super a with a replaced engine
behind the oil filter the casting number is
356318R2 help please trying to rebuild

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derek carter

02-12-2004 15:23:21

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Re: mystery engine in reply to derek carter, 02-11-2004 19:42:24

thanks everyone for the help
went out to tractor today and got more numbers off it. on the engine behind the oil filter is the number356318r2. stamped below the number 1 piston is UAAM then next line is 28393. there is a metal stamp plate behind the magneto but cant make it out. in center of block is stamped
5*5*Z. and it has a blank plate sealing off hole behind and lower than magneto. also has dip stick. the serial number of tractor under the seat is 1AA first line, then 343830 second line all other major parts are y year except rearend which is s year. hope this helps. thanks

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Hugh MacKay

02-12-2004 14:35:26

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Re: mystery engine in reply to derek carter, 02-11-2004 19:42:24

Derek: I don't know as this will tell you much. The part number behind oil filter on my Super A is 354898R1. I didn't take time to clean enough to see complete numbers on the 130 and 140 but could see enough, they each different than your or my Super A

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gene b

02-12-2004 01:56:42

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Re: mystery engine in reply to derek carter, 02-11-2004 19:42:24

Probably was power unit named U-2. Do you have a plate over the fuel pump location and the cut-out under the filter was where the starter went. Chances are it came of the 55-baler. Ihave seen where these engines are on either an A or B. I have one and thats where it came from starter,gen plate over pump area and also fuel pump area and a dipstik hole for starter but doesent have tractor sheet metal some did and others did not.

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lee

02-11-2004 22:26:15

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Re: mystery engine in reply to derek carter, 02-11-2004 19:42:24

I have that block in one of my tractors. There is a plate under the mag where you can bolt up a hydraulic pump. There is a missing bolt on the right side where the engine bolts to the clutch housing. I got the tractor with that block in it so I don't know what it came out of. I put an overbore kit in it many years ago. It was 3 inch bore when I tore it down and I can't recall if the kit was 3 1/8 or 3 1/4 bore. I am tending to think it was 3 1/4. Post the kit you finally find for that. Mine came with aluminum domed pistons. The motor runs very strong. You have to be careful you don't get in a situation where you have too much load and too much traction. It will get on the governor and pull the front end up in a big hurry.

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gene b

02-13-2004 03:40:56

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Re: Re: mystery engine in reply to lee, 02-11-2004 22:26:15

You will see where the missing bolt is that a starter could go in that area. You should have another plate in front of the filter where the fuel pump would go. AINT never seen a camshaft that didnt have a lobe for a fuel pump for these engines must have been carryover from one of the F models used a fuel pump.

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lee

02-11-2004 22:44:15

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Re: Re: mystery engine in reply to lee, 02-11-2004 22:26:15

It also has an engine # UAAM 26979 stamped on a milled pad, right front side of block close to the engine deck surface.

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Ed Topel

02-11-2004 20:43:22

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Re: mystery engine in reply to derek carter, 02-11-2004 19:42:24

Could the number be 356318r2? I have that number engine in my B. I posted about a month back trying to find out what I have. The guys here thought it was probably off a baler. Check the diameter of the sleeves at the lower end where the o ring seals. If they are 3 7/16 then you can get the 3 1/4 bore sleeves for a super C. The A and super A sleeve will measure 3 5/16. Bearings and gasket sets are the same for all the C123 and C135 engines. Good luck, Ed

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Hugh MacKay

02-11-2004 19:52:40

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Re: mystery engine in reply to derek carter, 02-11-2004 19:42:24

Derek: How sure are you this engine has been replaced? My thoughts are if you had done the change you wouldn't be asking. If you were expecting tractor and engine serial numbers to match or come close, they don't on later model Super A.

I don't know the casting number on my Super A but can check in the morning. My tractor serial numbers is 336977. My engine serial number is 338597. I know that is an original engine.

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derek carter

02-11-2004 20:16:43

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Re: Re: mystery engine in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-11-2004 19:52:40

i was told it came off a forklift(the motor) been searching maybe a c-135 off of later 404
i have other super a but this one is diffrent
has oil dipstick and cant find nothing on this number 356318R2 all other a's i have has number
251069 thanks for responding

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Hugh MacKay again

02-12-2004 06:17:54

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Re: Re: Re: mystery engine in reply to derek carter, 02-11-2004 20:16:43

Derek: Please make note of my earlier mistake, First Super A1 should be serial number 356001 and not 336001, sorry about that. Sam may have been sleeping last evening but not this morning.

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Hugh MacKay

02-12-2004 02:49:59

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Re: Re: Re: mystery engine in reply to derek carter, 02-11-2004 20:16:43

Derek: I have reviewed the other discussion in thread. I think you and Lee may have something in common. Do the tractors have a water pump and if so is it right on the fan hub. Water pump being on fan hub would indicate you have either a C-123 from a 140 or 240, or a C-135 from a 404 or 2404. Either of those engines could have come from other sources as well, such as swathers, etc.

My earlier thought was you may have Super A with the C-123 block, and if you want to read a bit on that idea go to discussion below on pressurized or non-pressurized. That is still a very real possibility. Another possibility again is you have a Super A1, these were built after serial number 336001 and have full C-123 engine with water pump, radiator will be taller and fuel tank will set about 2.5" above hydraulic unit.

What are your serial numbers both tractor and engine?

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derek carter

02-12-2004 15:02:09

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Re: Re: Re: Re: mystery engine in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-12-2004 02:49:59

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lee

02-12-2004 10:47:59

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Re: Re: Re: Re: mystery engine in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-12-2004 02:49:59

No water pump, it has a cover plate for fuel pump on the right under the mag. It also has a cover plate for a hydraulic pump running off the timing gears under the mag. This tractor has serial number FABN68375 under the seat with the engine numbers in the above post and a wide front off an A or like tractor so it is far from factory but a great tractor. It is also for sale.

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SAm in NS

02-12-2004 04:49:05

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Re: Re: Re: Re: mystery engine in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-12-2004 02:49:59

I think you'll find that the Super A1 production started at serial #356000. Hope this helps. SAm in NS

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Hugh MacKay

02-12-2004 06:12:05

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: mystery engine in reply to SAm in NS, 02-12-2004 04:49:05

Sam: Your right my mistake, not sure whether it was brain or finger. 356001 correct for first Super A1.

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