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H 12v alternator?

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Ken

02-13-2004 18:16:58




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I would like to change my 47 H to a 12 volt system. Will a delco one wire 10si alternator fit under the hood without modifying the hood. Is there another model alternator that will fit better? And does anyone have a wiring diagram to do this, my H has the magneto ignition. Any advice would be greatly appreciated

Thanks Ken




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scotc

02-16-2004 21:43:42




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 Re: H 12v alternator? in reply to Ken, 02-13-2004 18:16:58  
borrow the battery from something else and put in the tractor, if it charges the batt. I'd leave it in there and get a new one for whatever you stole that one from. UNless, of course, its my only way into town. Worked on my SM.



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Ken

02-15-2004 18:53:51




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 Re: H 12v alternator? in reply to Ken, 02-13-2004 18:16:58  
Thanks a ton, you guys are great!! I will use all of this info to help get the job done. This web site is the greatest thing to ever happen to the antique tractor enthusiast. Thanks again Ken



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Mark -- Michigan

02-13-2004 20:56:52




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 Re: H 12v alternator? in reply to Ken, 02-13-2004 18:16:58  
Ken - You can use a Delco 10SI. It just fits in my 1944 Farmall H without modification to the sheet metal. If you pick your belt size right, there are no other tensioners needed. If you want, I will measure the belt on my H for you. The Denso stuff, it's too expensive in my opinion.
Mark



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Doug in OR

02-14-2004 17:18:32




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 Re: Re: H 12v alternator? in reply to Mark -- Michigan, 02-13-2004 20:56:52  
They're all about the same price - if you go a junkyard. And if you pull one from a scrapped vehicle, take the connector and about 12 inches of wiring with it.



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BIG JOHN

02-13-2004 19:04:36




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 Re: H 12v alternator? in reply to Ken, 02-13-2004 18:16:58  
It will fit but it is a very tight fit. I have found that using a Hitachi #14231 alternator from a 1980 Nissan 720 pickup is much easier to get into this tight fit. NAPA has them part #2138130 cost $49.49 + core.

This alternator is 4 1/2" in Dia. and 7" in length and will go right on the orginal mountings on the tractor. Use an 8" x 3/8" bolt and some pipe for spacers. Being Hitachi means that it is METRIC You will need to drilll out the mountings to 3/8". The tension adjusting bolt is also metric thread.

This alternator is a three (3) wire set up which can be easily converted to one (1)wire. There are spade conections labled S & L and a BAT conection. The L spade is for the idot light and can be disregarded. Use a jumper wire from the S spade to the BAT post and your are good to go.

The pully is a split type that you can widen using a spacer (once again METRIC). You will need to use a disc type lock washer and some locktite because there won't be room to reuse the split lock washer that comes with it.

There is a built in regualtor and a resister to keep the battery from feeting back to the alternator. If you want the alternotor to start charging without having to accelerate the engine you can install a resistor or idot light to feed the L spade.

This is a sweet fit under the hood of H's, M's, W's also Cubs and many others.

GOOD LUCK

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Bryan Phillips

11-22-2006 17:13:14




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 Re: Re: H 12v alternator? in reply to BIG JOHN, 02-13-2004 19:04:36  
I need help with the mounting of the 10si. I took the whole thing to a machine shop. The shop stated it cant be done.....Help!

Thanks



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Bwood

02-14-2004 16:19:26




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 Re: Re: H 12v alternator? in reply to BIG JOHN, 02-13-2004 19:04:36  
Wow!! that sure is good info to have,may need to try one of them altenators myself!!

bwood



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Bob M

02-13-2004 18:51:04




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 Re: H 12v alternator? in reply to Ken, 02-13-2004 18:16:58  
It's a tight squeeze but at 10 SI will JUST fit under the hood on an H. But there's no room to swing the alternator for belt installation/tensioning - you'll need to provide other means (separate tensioning pulley) to tension the belt.

Punch below for a wiring diagram for a 10 SI/magneto setup. There's other, much smaller alternators that will fit easier under an H hood (Nippon Denso, etc.) but I don't have any wiring diagrams...

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Doug in OR

02-14-2004 11:57:39




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 Re: Re: H 12v alternator? in reply to Bob M, 02-13-2004 18:51:04  
Bob,

Go to this link. It gives a good detailed description of the newer (1986-1996) Delco alternators. I hope this "URL thing works - I've never tried it befor.



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Doug in OR

02-14-2004 11:59:02




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 Re: Re: Re: H 12v alternator? in reply to Doug in OR, 02-14-2004 11:57:39  
I guess the link doesn't work.. go here:

www.alternatorparts.com/cs130_sbpage1.htm



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Doug in OR

02-13-2004 21:49:14




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 Re: Re: H 12v alternator? in reply to Bob M, 02-13-2004 18:51:04  
Most alternators follow a similar wiring scheme. Below is a short list of the terminals, and what they mean.

BAT: This is the main battery terminal. It is the same on all alternators. The Delco 10SI, the Delco 121/130 series, the Nippondenso alternators.. Hitachi.. etc.

S: The sense terminal. This is pin 2 on the 10SI. Connect this either to your battery, or the alternator BAT stud. On the Delco 121/130 series alternators, this terminal will usually be under the rubber packing. You need not connect it on the 121/130 Delco - this alternator uses internal sensing. I break out this terminal and use it only when I am using two batteries and a battery isolator.

I: The exciter (ignition) terminal. This is pin 1 on the 10SI. Connect it to your ignition switch. You may or may not need a diode, depending on the alternator. On the 10SI, you can use a diode or lamp configuration.

L: The indicator lamp. You don't need to use this terminal. Attach a warning lamp here, as you would on a 10SI, if you wish.

This is a quick and dirty run down of the various terminals. There's really not much difference between one alternator or the other. The 10SI is the most popular because of the price. I suspect that the Delco 121 or 130 alternators should be inexpensive too - they started using them in about '85, right after the discontinued the 10SI. I don't know the physical size of the 121, but it might be smaller than the 10SI. I know for certain that a Nippondenso for an old mid-80s Toyota will be smaller.

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Dave in virginia

02-14-2004 10:39:33




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 Re: Re: Re: H 12v alternator? in reply to Doug in OR, 02-13-2004 21:49:14  
seems like I had to remove and flip the main generator mounting bracket on the block of the H.I used the delco 10 si.Someone here told me to do this and it really helped.good luck :-)



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