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Miss Grundy

02-16-2004 03:49:51




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Over the years I have believed too many lies from fellows so I am in disbelief of all of them. Yesterday morning I went into the coffee shop by the local auction barn and as I walked up I could sense the conversation changing to another subject. One fellow said that his new Case IH tractor had a TV. I was just wondering if this could be true. Could it be some kind of a monitor?? Or is it really like a household television? I know you fellows would not lie to me.

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Randy

02-18-2004 08:21:15




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 Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 03:49:51  
If a man talks in the woods and his wife isn't there to hear him, is he still lying?



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Joe

02-17-2004 18:24:17




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 Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 03:49:51  
Sad to say, if it is a man and his lips are moving, he's probably lying. We just can't help it.

I'll bet a lot of these guys are telling stories about this new technology or that new gizmo, so some of it must be true.

But not all of it. So..... ..



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scotc

02-16-2004 21:05:45




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 Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 03:49:51  
could be one of those fancy radio/dvd aftermarket things the riceburner crowds thinks they need in the car. That or its part of the onboard electronics and if thats the case its an lcd readout.



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Rauville

02-16-2004 19:55:20




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 Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 03:49:51  
I don't know about a TV in a tractor; but 20 some years ago I went to an auction where the family still farmed with horses. It was easy to see which of the implements were operated by the younger generation. Drills, mowers, sulky plows were all fitted out with 12 volt battery boxes and 8 track players! Like Bob Dylan said...The times they are a-changin'.



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Ed

02-16-2004 16:40:58




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 Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 03:49:51  
Don't know if they were serious or not. I do know when I was growing up my Dad and the neighbor I'd drive tractor for thought it ridiculous that I used a portable radio or god forbid took my new fangled cassette tapes on the tractor. Didn't understand why I needed to listen to music that loud.

I do know it's very possible to have a TV with a VCR or DVD or wireless cable in a cab of a tractor (simple $50 inverter connected to the battery and wala AC power for your TV). I guess I think it ridiculous if someone does this, hmm kinda like my Dad was with me and my cassettes.

My 2 cents says they more likely have a GPS monitor or an accu trak system. Somewhat of an extravagance but there are believers that this is the future. Wouldn't be surprised if they were pulling your leg to get your reaction.

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Mac

02-16-2004 16:14:30




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 Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 03:49:51  
Television is the opiate of the people. The cause of neglected kids and chores. A few years ago who woulda believed TVs in cars? TV's in tractors can't be far off. "Case needs to figure out GPS for these turnrows, they're interupting Jerry Springer" "Now where's that row marker?"



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Farmallkid

02-16-2004 13:30:30




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 Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 03:49:51  
I believe i saw something like this in a fendt tractor at a farmshow one time. Those tractors are a bit copmlicated for me, i read the book on one and still don't have a clue!



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Paul in Mich

02-16-2004 12:30:13




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 Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 03:49:51  
Miss Grundy, Read the article from Case IH about GPS and imagine your tractor on auto pilot. Can you also imagine that someone would install a TV in the cab to watch while the tractor pilots itself across the field? It is entirely possible and probably in some cases. Nobody was lying to you, believe me. The Technology is there, farming has just now caught up to the technology. I attended a farmers meeting a week or so ago and the speaker suggested that in the near future, any farmer who decides to sell his land will be required to have mapping data available to prospective sellers in the way of computerized history of fertilizer, seed population, spraying proceedures which as we all know can vary from field to field and from acre to acre depending on the soil condition, and other variables. To fail to do so will result in land values being depreciated accordingly. The next generation of farmers will be unrecognizable to todays farmers. GPS is just the beginnning. Remember we have had this technology in manufacturing for 25 or so years its called CNC machining, where pockets of regular or irregular shapes even with islands can be defined by perrimiter and that data entered into the machine computer which automatically machines the material from one common reference point. "X" and "Y" coordinates in maching is the very same principle as longitude and latitude in GPS. Once the perimeter of a field is established and obsticles such as trees, wire towers, electric poles, and even wooded areas are defined, the GPS computer takes over, and except for making headland turns, the tractor is on auto-pilot. Also, Murphy's law applies here "If you can imagine something happening ie. TV in tractor cab, it already has happened".

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Ms Grundy read article fr

02-16-2004 12:05:05




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 Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 03:49:51  
Read this:


New GPS-Based Autoguidance System 2 December, 2003


RACINE, Wis. – Current model Case IH MX Series Magnum™ and STX Series Steiger® tractors, including Quadtrac™ models, can now be outfitted with a fully integrated, GPS autoguidance steering system. The new Case IH AFS AccuGuide™ Autoguidance System offers precision control and accuracy surpassing the industry’s best products.

“Case IH AFS AccuGuide Systems offer farmers a wide range of productivity and cost saving advantages, ranging from reduced operator stress to more precise planting, fertilizing and tilling,” says Al Viney, marketing manager for Case IH guidance systems. “It is the next logical step in the Case IH Advanced Farming Systems (AFS) product line, designed to improve the efficiency, productivity and profitability of farmers.”

AFS AccuGuide represents the second generation in Case IH guidance systems. Currently, Case IH offers the EZ-Guide lightbar system, which uses GPS technology to direct the operator to steer on course.

The new Case IH AFS AccuGuide Systems eliminate the need to steer in open fields, except at row ends, and are targeted at the one- and four-inch accuracy markets, depending on the source of the differential correction signal. Dealer-installed field kits will be available in the spring of 2004 for MX210, MX230, MX255 and MX285 Magnum, and STX275, STX325, STX375, STX425, STX450 and STX500 Steiger tractors.

MX Magnum tractors factory ready to accept the installation of AFS AccuGuide Systems will be available in the fall of 2004 and STX Steiger tractors in the spring of 2005. (Initially, the AFS AccuGuide Systems will not be available on STX AccuSteer models.)

Case IH AFS AccuGuide Systems for the four-inch market use a satellite correction signal, but also require a yearly satellite subscription cost. For applications requiring more precision, sub-inch to inch accuracy may be achieved using a Case IH AFS AccuGuide base station. The base station correction signal provides superior accuracy and eliminates subscription costs.

Designed red

“We worked in cooperation with Trimble to develop a system tailor-made for Case IH technology,” Viney adds. “The system we created combines the best of both companies’ expertise and offers customers an option fully supported by their local Case IH dealer.”

Profit advantage

“No matter what type of crop you grow or cropping practice you favor, Case IH autoguidance systems can offer time, labor and yield advantages,” concludes Viney. “But the right system and the R.O.I. will vary from farm to farm, crop to crop and operator to operator.”

Under normal operating conditions, the potential benefits of AFS AccuGuide Systems include:

Reduced operator stress and fatigue

More accurate layout of fields, especially in row crops and bed preparation

More accurate planting, cultivating, spraying and fertilizer application

Reduced pass-to-pass skips and overlaps

Controlled traffic patterns to reduce the effects of compaction

Accuracy to stay on row in strip-till and raised-bed operations
“We see an unlimited range of possibilities for our new AFS AccuGuide Systems,” adds Viney. “Right now we are exploring future applications for a variety of product platforms.”

Case IH provides agricultural equipment systems for crop and livestock production, flexible financial service offerings and parts and service support through a dedicated network of professional dealers and distributors. Productivity enhancing products include tractors ranging from 25 to 500 horsepower; combines and harvesters; hay and forage equipment; tillage tools; planting and seeding systems; sprayers and applicators; and site specific farming tools. Case IH is a brand of CNH, a global leader in agricultural and construction equipment and financial services. With headquarters in the United States, CNH has a network of dealers and distributors that operates in over 160 countries.

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farmerjohn

02-18-2004 00:04:14




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 Re: Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Ms Grundy read article fr, 02-16-2004 12:05:05  
All sounds pretty nice, these modern gadgets.....as long as they don't break down.



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buggy

02-16-2004 10:55:46




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 Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 03:49:51  
My stepdaughter has some contraption in her vann that plays video for the kid, she says it keeps the kid quiet during trips. If they can do it in a vann, why not a tractor. Lots of people have cabs with heaters and air on their tractors, never saw the need myself, so why not a TV. As my dad use to say, "A lot of people got more money than good sence."



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Dan

02-16-2004 10:20:11




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 Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 03:49:51  
Years ago when JD came out with the sound guard cab and the cushy seat I thought farmers were going soft. Then I realized that some spend more time in the tractor cab than in a chair at home. My newest tractor is45 years old and I don't know where I would put a TV on it. I would just settle for a cab on one of my tractors. Some of teh SUVs come out with TVs for the back so it could be done in a tractor. Would take a lot of wire for the cable though.

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Miss Grundy

02-16-2004 07:09:48




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 Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 03:49:51  
My newest tractor is over 30 years old and I farm more acres than any of the fellows in the cafe. I own a half ton pickup and they all have big diesels. They go to the coffe shop about every day and I only go when I have a power failure at home. i also think some of you fellows are kidding me but I seriously do not know which ones are. Be nice to have a portable lie detector. Will those who always speak truth please so indicate who they are?

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Van in AR

02-16-2004 10:57:00




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 Re: Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 07:09:48  
Miss G.
I can't see where anybodys lying, yes it seems to me that your work ethic is better than most. Cali boy seems to think we are jealous and lying? Don't know where he is comming from, you asked and I gave a honest answer and a honest opinion. Reguards, Van



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RandyNcal

02-16-2004 09:53:12




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 Re: Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 07:09:48  
After reading about your farm,tractor and work habits, my money is on lying. Sounds like the're jealous of you. It's to bad, I would be proud to have a hard working neighbor like you. Don't let it bother you, good luck and God bless.



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42FarmallH

02-16-2004 05:53:11




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 Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 03:49:51  
One of the neighbors has a TV in the big 4x4. If the signal isn't coming in, he quits for the day. Can't miss his precious shows.

Like that song says, "country ain't country no more." Same with farming, too many big cushy tractors and land hogs destroying the family farms...



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Farmallkid

02-16-2004 09:45:21




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 Re: Re: Are They Lying? in reply to 42FarmallH, 02-16-2004 05:53:11  
Travis Tritt? thats a good song His dad buys heifers on line.



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Paul in Mich

02-16-2004 05:35:22




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 Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 03:49:51  
Miss Grundy, If you go into the Case NH web site, you'll find an article about their GPS system which allows for an auto-pilot which in turn allows the operator to go from one end of the field to the other without steering or otherwise operating the tractor during that time. What would stop the operator during that time from making coffee, eating a snack, or even watching TV? Yes, Miss Grundy, I'm afraid TV is quite possible and in all probability, probable. Is it time to worry about what comes next? Perhaps it is if you to observe the operator crocheting a doiley or knitting a sweater while drinking coffee, eating a snack, and watching "As the world turns" while operating HIS tractor.

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Bill B

02-16-2004 05:12:58




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 Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 03:49:51  
Anything is possible, but if the conversation changed when you arrived, and they were looking at you out of the corner of their eyes, I would guess they were pulling your leg, as pop used to say. They might have a tv, but they might also have a GPS if their fields are large enough. Here in new england, where a big field is 20 acres, we dont get lost or have a hard time making a straight row, but out west where all you see is the horizon, a GPS helps make the rows straight.

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Van in AR

02-16-2004 04:55:35




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 Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 03:49:51  
Would we lie to you?..... ..... Well I guess it does depend on the subject! Yes I have seen a TV in a tractor, seems to me people get too much of that crap at home to want and watch it at work. I don't even watch mine at home that much anymore, would rather talk to my family, they are far more important..... ..... ....Now about that lie?
Van



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CRUSADER

02-16-2004 09:50:03




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 Re: Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Van in AR, 02-16-2004 04:55:35  
Were you a Chair-Borne Ranger?



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Van in AR

02-16-2004 10:59:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Are They Lying? in reply to CRUSADER, 02-16-2004 09:50:03  
Why yes I was. 26 year AF veteran, just retired last year. Crew Chief Van



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Hugh MacKay

02-16-2004 04:18:31




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 Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Miss Grundy, 02-16-2004 03:49:51  
Miss Grundy: Anything is possible in these times. Around these parts grannies are putting TV in the car, and they use the excuse it is to entertain the grandchildren they don't want to bother talking with. The way some of these grannies are driving I think they are tuning in the soaps after staying on the golf course too long. Truckers have them, and we kind of hope the TV involved is in the sleeper bunk. Everyone wants to be entertained while they work. Heaven forbid that someone may get bored.

These new breed of farmers are much the same. Best way to find out if he is lying is watch his rows, see if they are still straight. Watched for demolished items around his farm that look like the tractor has gone over them. Items like family pets, wheel barrows, kids toys, even the kids or indeed the missus.

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Adam

02-16-2004 19:41:57




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 Re: Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-16-2004 04:18:31  
Maybe they need TVs to watch while their GPS systems guide their tractors down the field.



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Darren in TN

02-16-2004 08:41:24




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 Re: Re: Are They Lying? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-16-2004 04:18:31  

Hugh,
That's really funny. I've seen loads of folks with those blasted tv's in their cars and it drives me nuts. In Alabama (where my wife and I work) they recently enacted a law banning people from watching pornographic trash in their car because they'd had so many complaints of drivers having that stuff on going down a public street where anyone in the world could see it. I'm all for progress, but can't we leave the tv's at home?? I mean, you can't operate a car or machinery after taking cold medicine, so why can you watch tv and drive??

It's a crazy world. I'll watch out for the neighbors whose dog or car or kid has tractor tire tracks across 'em like you said. Good test.

Y'all be good,
Darren

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