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Using the Vacuum from the SMTA for Milking?

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Terry

02-16-2004 20:50:40

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I'm wanting to milk our cow with the SMTA. I see the 3/8" plug on the manifold and was wondering if any ol'timers or anyone else remembers if I will need to make that 3/8" hole bigger (1/2" or 3/4") for milking with one Surge milker? I'm unsure if the 3/8" hole will give enough vacuum. Thanks for your advise!

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W30

02-18-2004 05:30:15

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Re: Using the Vacuum from the SMTA for Milking? in reply to Terry, 02-16-2004 20:50:40

Does this date me! Done this with a H, when power was off, ran two old surge bucket milkers on vacumn pipe line ok.

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Hayshaker5

02-17-2004 18:17:08

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Re: Using the Vacuum from the SMTA for Milking? in reply to Terry, 02-16-2004 20:50:40

I remember a couple of power outages where dad hooked up the TO20 Ferguson up to the vacuum pump.
It wasn't as good as the electric pump but got the job done.

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Kelly C

02-17-2004 14:41:38

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Re: Using the Vacuum from the SMTA for Milking? in reply to Terry, 02-16-2004 20:50:40

So thats why that valve is on the intake part of my 300... I was wondering why that was there.

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Matt Kirsch

02-17-2004 07:56:31

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Re: Using the Vacuum from the SMTA for Milking? in reply to Terry, 02-16-2004 20:50:40

Heck, my Dad STILL does it this way. He uses an old Surge milker to milk downed cows outside. Back in the blizzard of '77, he didn't have a generator, and used the car to put vacuum on one side of the barn, and the Super M on the other.

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Zak

02-17-2004 07:37:14

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Re: Using the Vacuum from the SMTA for Milking? in reply to Terry, 02-16-2004 20:50:40

And here I thought that plug was for a nitrous injector! Zak

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02-17-2004 06:19:41

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Re: Using the Vacuum from the SMTA for Milking? in reply to Terry, 02-16-2004 20:50:40

Why not find an old vaccuum pump at an auction? Lots of them around.

Mike

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Jim in michigan

02-17-2004 06:08:48

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Re: Using the Vacuum from the SMTA for Milking? in reply to Terry, 02-16-2004 20:50:40

Where are you located,..,. here you can get surge machines free for the taking,,I know of a couple right now,,,Jim

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Michael Soldan

02-17-2004 05:59:07

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Re: Using the Vacuum from the SMTA for Milking? in reply to Terry, 02-16-2004 20:50:40

Many tractors were equipped with the vacuum valve for milking back in the 40's and 50's, not just Farmalls. One of the H's I own had the milking valve on the manifold when I bought it a few years ago. I took it off and as I remember a standard plug screwed into the manifold where it was tapped in...maybe I should have left it there for nostalgia..I remember my neighbour milking with an old w-c Allis..... ...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Farmallkid

02-17-2004 05:10:22

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Re: Using the Vacuum from the SMTA for Milking? in reply to Terry, 02-16-2004 20:50:40

My uncle had an m with something like this. Post a pick when you milk the cow.

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Russ

02-17-2004 03:40:24

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Re: Using the Vacuum from the SMTA for Milking? in reply to Terry, 02-16-2004 20:50:40

SMTA SUCKS(OR VACUUMS); HERE IS ANOTHER IDEA THAT SUCKS. GET A 5KW OR 10KW 60HZ GENERATOR HEAD AND HOLD THE H ENGINE RIGHT AT 3600 RPM SO THE 60 HZ IS SOLID. THEN POWER UP YOUR VACUUM PUMP AND A REMOTE LIGHT OR TWO ON THE OUTPUT CIRCUITS. PROBABLY TO COMPLEX FOR ALL THE POTENTIAL USERS BUT THEN IT IS AN IDEA THAT SUCKS AT BEST. SMTA HAS PLENTY OF PTO POWER FOR THE ROTATION PORTION.
CONTROLLING THE 60 CYCLE WITH AN ENGINE ROTATION OF 3600 RPM MAY BE THE DIFFICULT OR IMPOSSIBLE PORTION.

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Randy in NE

02-17-2004 04:06:43

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Re: Re: Using the Vacuum from the SMTA for Milking in reply to Russ, 02-17-2004 03:40:24

I wouldn't want to be standing next to an old M when somebody tried to crank it up to 3600 rpm unless it has been balanced. The only thing on the motor that would turn at 3600 rpm is the front crank pulley. The pto goes through about a 3:1 reduction. The front pulley would only give you 3600 rpm if both pulleys are the same size. Not to be a wiseguy but I don't think you have had your morning cup of coffee yet.

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Hugh MacKay

02-17-2004 02:36:51

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Re: Using the Vacuum from the SMTA for Milking? in reply to Terry, 02-16-2004 20:50:40

Terry: Like the others I remember my dad doing the same with an H but only in emergencies of power outage. By then our cows were used to milking machine, and sitting in with pail and hand milking was dangerous. As I recall the vacume from the H wasn't the best solution either. Dad was normally using 3 milking units and could only use one with the H. He soon found a Briggs gas engine to run the regular vacume pump in emergencies.

Remember also you can't just plug the unit to the tractor manifold, you will also need the vacume control unit.

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JMS/MN

02-17-2004 00:06:17

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Re: Using the Vacuum from the SMTA for Milking? in reply to Terry, 02-16-2004 20:50:40

Yes- it does work, and my Father did that in the 50s when the power was out- but it is an emergency measure only! It is hard on the valves if done on a regular basis. Old vacuum operated milkers don't have a brain, so they don't care about the source of the vacuum- back then, if the pulsator clicked, we thought everything was ok! It sure beat going back to the barn when the power came back on.

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sammy the RED

02-16-2004 23:14:09

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Re: Using the Vacuum from the SMTA for Milking? in reply to Terry, 02-16-2004 20:50:40

My uncle used his Farmall H to milk when the power was out.

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Farmer Bob

02-16-2004 22:12:26

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Re: Using the Vacuum from the SMTA for Milking? in reply to Terry, 02-16-2004 20:50:40

It will work! We had a petcock screwed into the plug hole on our old H Farmall and used it when the power was off to run one milker. Would run a long rubber hose from the manifold to the end petcock on the air line for the milkers over the stancions. Dad would still milk by hand and could almost keep up one for one with the H. Still seemed like it took a long time most likely due to the darkness with only the lights from the H pointed into the barn door and a couple of kerosene lanters. Circa 1950's.

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randy hall

02-16-2004 21:17:36

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Re: Using the Vacuum from the SMTA for Milking? in reply to Terry, 02-16-2004 20:50:40

that hole in the manifold is 1/8" pipe thread. when i was small i can remember my grampa useing his truck hooked up to the milkers when the electric was off. i don't remember if he used both milkers or just one when the power was off.

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