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Would 15W40 be too heavy for my H??

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John

02-22-2004 19:12:08




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I was thinking of using 15W40 in my Farmall H, would it be too heavy? I have been using SAE 30 . Thanks!!




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JPY

02-23-2004 14:27:07




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 Re: Would 15W40 be too heavy for my H?? in reply to John, 02-22-2004 19:12:08  
Multiviscosity oils are not naturally occuring hydrocarbons. the range is created by additives that break down over time. Therefore a 15W-40 oil as it is heated and ground against parts will become a 15W-35 then a 15W30 and so on. The drift is always to the lower number. Streight weights are natural temperature cuts and tend to stay true so say 30W may become 29 W but it is a longer term process. Fortunately something between 20W and 30w always has enough lubricity to do the job and therefore they work as well as the multigrades in that same range. Buy the lowest cost recognized suppliers oil.

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farmall300u

02-22-2004 22:20:55




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 Re: Would 15W40 be too heavy for my H?? in reply to John, 02-22-2004 19:12:08  
When I bought my IH 300u many years ago, I ran 30HD in it and it used a quart in the morning and a quart in the afternoon when doing heavy bushhogging. I switched to 15-40 and never had to add another drop of oil between oil changes. Added about 2000 hrs since the switch with no problems.



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Don

02-22-2004 20:47:56




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 Re: Would 15W40 be too heavy for my H?? in reply to John, 02-22-2004 19:12:08  
Case IH specifcally recomends 30W in the 66 and 86 series tractors. Also a good idea to use in the older gas tractors, thats what they were designed for. In cold weather use 10W oil. Use the 15W40 in the newer tractors and deisel pickups whose manuals recomend it. 15W40 is way to thick for modern gas cars and pickups, most recomend 10W30 or 5W30. Ford recomends 5W20 in most of their new vehicals.

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Bob M

02-23-2004 07:32:32




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 Re: Re: Would 15W40 be too heavy for my H?? in reply to Don, 02-22-2004 20:47:56  
Don - The car makers spec 5W20 spec instead of a heavier oil primarily for fuel mileage - it gains 'em a few tenths of a mpg in EPA certification testing. Beyond that there's no reason heavier 10W30, 15W40, etc are not acceptable.

At the farm where I occasionally pitch in, the local oil jobber has installed a 200 gallon bulk tank in shop and keeps it filled with 15W40. For many years the oil has been used in EVERYTHING on the farm with an engine: 855 Cummins turbodiesels in the big tractors; older 4020 gas & diesels; antique Deere, IHC and MM tractors; the owner's wife's Buick; even her lawnmower. About the motors that don't get 15W40 are the 2 stroke motors in the chainsaws and snowmobiles.

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AAron

02-28-2004 21:33:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Would 15W40 be too heavy for my H?? in reply to Bob M, 02-23-2004 07:32:32  
In that small of a motor there wont be a problem in the summer time when its farely warm out but when its cold it takes a lot more for a small motor to move a thick oil through its small passages,and the last thing you want to do is starve an old engine for oil,no what i mean



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Hugh MacKay

02-23-2004 03:20:10




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 Re: Re: Would 15W40 be too heavy for my H?? in reply to Don, 02-22-2004 20:47:56  
Don: Don't listen to vehicle manufacturers, the premature end of engines is what keeps them in business. 30 years ago I was running close to a dozen engines with three types of oil on hand at all times. Coupled with this I had what you call employees. I discovered that the chart I had in my shop for oil use in various vehicles was not being followed consistantly.

I approached my oil supplier and wanted to see the specs on every oil he sold. I took this info home with me and studied it. He was not even selling me the oil recomended for 3 diesels I owned. When I confronted him with this he advised Esso series 3 oil was only for severe service in diesels. I asked what he considered severe service. His reply," dozers, forestry skidders, etc. " I said,"That is interesting, a dozer spends half it's life backing up under no load, skidder spends half its life going back into the bush empty, yet my farm tractors are loaded 95% of the time." I took home a supply of his best diesel engine oil, single viscosity at that time and used 30 in summer and 20 in winter. About 10 years later I switched to 15 - 40 in the same oil and never looked back. I have never had a car or pickup engine that didn't give 250.000 miles of service. As of 2004 that includes 4 cars, 4 pickups, 2 larger trucks and the lawn mower. I believe I am well above the average on hours of service with pickups and cars. I can take you to a dozen other people with the same results. I probably have on my farm logged a 100,000 hours on tractor, combine, skid loaders and other engines with exceptional results.

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Hugh MacKay

02-22-2004 19:31:20




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 Re: Would 15W40 be too heavy for my H?? in reply to John, 02-22-2004 19:12:08  
John: I;ve been using 15W-40 for years in everything from my 4 cycle lawn mower, Super A, 300, Buick, 6.2 diesel to 1066. I live in a cold climate. Lawn mower is 29 years old and mowed 1/4 acre every year since new, Buick has 300,000 miles , 6.2 went 1/2 million miles and may still be going I sold it, had 5 - 6 cylinder diesels all go 10,000 to first rebuild. The very best oil you can use in my opinion.

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Paul Shuler

02-22-2004 19:43:01




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 Re: Re: Would 15W40 be too heavy for my H?? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-22-2004 19:31:20  
That,s good to know Hugh & Bob. My wife works in the office at a company that does work on heavy equipment and their head mechanic talked me into putting Rottella 15-40 in my all my stuff. It's good to hear you guys agree.



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Hugh MacKay

02-23-2004 03:58:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Would 15W40 be too heavy for my H?? in reply to Paul Shuler, 02-22-2004 19:43:01  
Paul: I don't think it matters a whole lot what brand of oil you use. I have used different brands but am very careful that the specs are the same. Over the years I have used Esso, Shell and Texaco. I keep updated cross reference to make sure I am getting the same grade of oil, no matter what the source.

I think over the years the 6.2 diesel was probably the most amazing engine I had. To start with that engine didn't have a great reputation for longeviety. My friends all laughed at me when I bought it in the winter of 86-87. It was an 85 model a guy traded for a Ford diesel because they had more power. What I noticed on the spec sheet on this truck, it's ratios were such that it would turn 1800 rpm at 60 mph. Every year my friends kept kidding me on when this old 6.2 was going to blow up. They annoyed me so badly on this I decided I am deiving this truck until the engine blows up, if I live long enough. That one used to get their goat. Well in 2002, the old truck with close to 500,000 miles was getting quite bad on the rust factor. During servicing one day I noticed my frame was broken behind the cab about half way to the rear spring hanger. That ended the old truck, it was held together well as I had put a steel flat deck on it. I never took it on the road again, used it around property some. Finally a guy bought it for the engine to put in an old 4x4 to plow snow with. I questioned the wisdom of putting that old engine in another truck. The buyers responce, 6.2's will run forever if you keep them under 2500 rpm. He said," if you see a Chevy diesel with 4.10 gears run the other way, it's had too many hours at 3000 rpm." He said he knew that was not the case with my truck as it had always seemed like it was idleing as I drove throughout the community.

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earlschieb

02-22-2004 20:02:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Would 15W40 be too heavy for my H?? in reply to Paul Shuler, 02-22-2004 19:43:01  
15-40 Rotella T is what I run in both of my tractors, good oil.



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Bob M

02-22-2004 19:25:46




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 Re: Would 15W40 be too heavy for my H?? in reply to John, 02-22-2004 19:12:08  
John - 15W-40 will work fine! Been using it all my tractors (SH, SM and Minne Mo UTU) for several years with no problems. I find they start easier in cold weather than when filled straight 30.



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