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Out side or Barn kept ???

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John

02-29-2004 09:35:31




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Is there a reason why a tractor is left
outside? Over night or months on end, why can't they put inside?

If you have the money to afford the tractor,
then why can't it be put it inside? And if that's not possible, can it at least be covered up?

Just my opinion.
Thanks for listening.
John




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Be smart Shed them

03-01-2004 17:03:33




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 Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to John, 02-29-2004 09:35:31  
they cost you alot of money, take care of them.



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Bill B

03-01-2004 05:09:15




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 Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to John, 02-29-2004 09:35:31  
When I was a kid on the farm, we put the tractors under cover when possible. I have a 51 ford 8N that has never been outside overnight, and it looks it. But putting the tractor in the barn could be a huge disaster. Last spring, a farmer in this town put his tractor and corn planter in the barn after a heavy day of work, and a little while later, the whole barn burned to the ground. This was a farm that proudly displayed it's USA Bicentenial Farm sign from 1976, and another sign proclaiming the farm was in operation for 300 years. They have rebuilt part of the barn, but it will never be the same.
It is a good idea to cool off the tractor before putting it away, but to store one in a hay barn is a poor idea. Around here most folks have open machinery sheds for equipment. Leaving stuff outside in snow country causes a beating, since the metal is wet for months. Having said all that, I currently have 2 tractors outside, for lack of room. One is sold, the other needs work.
They say a man has as much stuff as he has room for, plus 10%.

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Kelly C

02-29-2004 20:39:56




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 Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to John, 02-29-2004 09:35:31  
My Grandfather. Kept his tractors in the barn when not in heavy use. After a hard day they sat out side.
There was a pecking order though on all the equipment. I never did see his AC all crop ever get any rain on it. The swather, mower, plows, disks, crimper and such never made it in the barn once.
For some reason the baler was in the machinery row out side too. But I think he was mad at it most times and just wanted it to rust out.

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Peabody

02-29-2004 19:51:42




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 Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to John, 02-29-2004 09:35:31  
John,
A wise old man told me one time that you pay for a barn, whether you build it or not.



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Dave - Illinois

02-29-2004 18:10:10




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 Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to John, 02-29-2004 09:35:31  
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If you just collect old tractors for the memories like I’ve done, I think they must be stored inside. I have no land to work my tractors, so all they do is just sit!

This little car had this shop pretty much to its self until the Old Iron Bug bit me. When this picture was taken it was sharing with 5 old tractors! :-) If available storage is a factor it is one way to stop me from buying any more until I sell one.

I only pay $100 per month for this building. About 1200 sq. ft.

Been in business for 20 years and have found if I have space inside I’m more likely to buy a piece of equipment that I'm interested in if I have room to keep it inside.

Dave Olson – East-Central Illinois

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billy

02-29-2004 16:11:24




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 Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to John, 02-29-2004 09:35:31  
hey, john, i guess maybe now you can see why you should sometimes keep your opinion to yourself. your arrogance means little to those who may actually use their tractor for long days of work, or may not have numerous empty buildings for storage. do you have anything to offer?



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John

02-29-2004 17:34:42




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 Re: Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to billy, 02-29-2004 16:11:24  
Billy,

It appears my 4 questions may have been taken the wrong way. My apologies, that
was not my intention.

I guess, more than anything, I was looking
for opinions and ideas on what other people do.
And I appreciate yours too.

Thanks,
John



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hank

02-29-2004 15:21:36




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 Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to John, 02-29-2004 09:35:31  
it's theres they can do whatever they like with it.



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John

02-29-2004 17:36:31




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 Re: Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to hank, 02-29-2004 15:21:36  
Right you are Hank.
Thanks,
John



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42FarmallH

02-29-2004 14:46:30




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 Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to John, 02-29-2004 09:35:31  
Maybe the tractor is all I can afford right now, the tractor is NEEDED so must be bought - the storage is extra so it is put to the side. The extra money for a building just isn't there.

And covering it? If you throw a tarp over it then it just invites more birds and mice to build nests on your tractor, since there is more protection...

What difference does it make? I go to the tractor dealership and they want the same darn money for a faded beat up tractor as the one that has been kept inside and waxed every year. Why bother? Car dealership is the same story, doesn't really matter how you care for your vehicle, they stick it to you on trade in anyway.

Keeping my vehicles and equipment up is a matter of personal pride, not maintaining the value...

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George Willer

02-29-2004 12:33:43




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 Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to John, 02-29-2004 09:35:31  
I have one tractor sitting outside, an M that I was lucky enough to win on eBay last fall. It's waiting for restoration next year and will then be brought inside somehow. At my age (69), I don't plan to build another building, so I can only get 20 tractors inside. Maybe you'd like to help me decide which one should be evicted?

George Willer



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John

02-29-2004 17:40:36




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 Re: Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to George Willer, 02-29-2004 12:33:43  
George,

Tough situation. Should you decide to
sell one of the 21 you own, I'm guessing
that someone is going to get a good machine.

Thanks for your comments.
John



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RUSS

02-29-2004 12:56:39




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 Re: Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to George Willer, 02-29-2004 12:33:43  
George Willer; I don't know you but if you want to dispatch one of those (20 or so) tractors I would be glad to store one of the running ones with a front hydraulic loader in Dover, NH.
Seems a shame your next tractor purchase may leave even one rig out in the weather, but, keep me in mind should you need extra storage.
I promise to run it and use it keeping it in good storage and could even send back a picture every year or two to complement your largesse.
Standing by should you lean toward my storage offer. I had a 1948 JD B for 4 years with a loader. I have worked for a couple years with a Farmall mechanic on As,Bs, Cs, Super Cs, Hs, Ms and one Case. Would like to own a TD-12 dozer but no real need for one.

Sincere to store,

Russell Cmejla

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daniel g

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P and R Pete

03-07-2009 07:12:20




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 Re: Engine Overhaul in reply to ADLM, 03-06-2009 20:45:58  
ADLM, I considered myself a novice, and I pulled it off. I used the IH Service Manual, the I&T Shop Manual, and a parts manual, all of which I got from BinderBooks. That said, I don"t think they would have sufficed for ME without the help of those other guys and this forum. But that"s just me. I asked a bazillion questions, and patiently awaited answers before proceeding. If you"re quick to anger and bull-headed, ya might run into problems!

I can"t tell you how heavy the engine is, but an engine stand is necessary, as was a "cherry-picker" for removing the engine from the tractor. Not good to risk bending critical parts by trying to "muscle" off the engine. I could lift the block, no problem, but only after the head, crank, and flywheel were off.

I"ve assumed you"ve used wrenches and sockets before. You think that you have that "mechanic"s feel", that sense of how hard to torque a nut without risking breaking a stud? Nothing to ruin your day like breaking things. Have a torque wrench? You HAVE to have one, for the engine internals. Even then, the manuals don"t say a lot about how much torque to use beyond the rod and main caps, and flywheel.

You have a place to do this indoors? Can you be meticulous with cleanliness when putting it back together, and methodical with laying things out, labeling nuts and bolts, doing things in proper order, taking notes? Many things have to go back exactly from where they came, lifters, connecting rods, etc. Can"t just pile things on a table.

Are you prepared for some expense? You can probably expect some unforeseen problems. I had to buy a new-used crank, ($125), and the machine shop work on the block, head, crank, and connecting rods was several hundreds, plus $300 for the engine kit.

And are you prepared for a good bit of frustration? You can expect to run into hassles, stuck bolts, broken parts, tools you can"t find beg or borrow, etc. I got angry, frustrated, disgusted, despairing, and that was just getting the main pulley off. It"ll be a journey!

If none of this gets you going, and you can do without your tractor for awhile this time of year, hey, why not. Engines don"t get any simpler.
It"s gotta be your call though. I"d feel bad if you tackled it on my advice, and got lost halfway through. And I"d sure like to hear that you have some knowledgable help somewhere down your road, if you need it!

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LD Phone

02-29-2004 13:45:13




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 Re: Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-29-2004 10:48:02  
Do your fingers ever get tired? ;-)



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hal indiana

03-01-2004 04:53:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to LD Phone, 02-29-2004 13:45:13  
LD: one thing you must remember, Hugh, Mike, and moat all of the other guys and gals that use and resopnd to this forum, have more knowlege about farming and tractors than you will ever be able to comprehend. I am 46 years old and lived on a farm all of my life and I look to these guys to find out things that will help me with my farming operations DAILY. "These guys have been there and done that!" When I read a resonse to a question I will read Hugh, Mike and Guy Fays response first to see if the rest of the responses are worth reading. Thanks to all who give and share their knowlege to us with out charging for it! [go to the doctor and see what they will charge you for their knowlege to fix something!!!!!] It seem that anybody who has a very dim, narrow, view point, most generaly has set on a cold, hard, steel pan seat for too long and has flattened out their brains. Keep those finger moving in a possitive fashion guys and thanks again. hal

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DM

02-29-2004 19:11:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to LD Phone, 02-29-2004 13:45:13  
That would be about 90% of the people here wouldn't it?

Lighten up.



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little john

02-29-2004 14:48:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to LD Phone, 02-29-2004 13:45:13  
I wonder what you expect from a discussion board?



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Hugh MacKay

02-29-2004 14:05:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to LD Phone, 02-29-2004 13:45:13  
No, JDW, only thing that make me tired is guys without intestinal fortitude to use their own name.



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Michael Soldan

02-29-2004 10:00:26




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 Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to John, 02-29-2004 09:35:31  
John, here is a story about an outside stored H. When I bought it it was rusty but the rear rims were like new and they are loaded with calcium. The owner told me he had the tractor since the 1950's and it had never been sheded, even in the winter time. I believe its outdoor life is why the rear rims have never succumed to rust, the rains and snow have kept the calcium and manure acids washed off. However, the rest of the tractor paid for its outdoor life. I keep my tractors sheded as much as possible even on a summer's day to prevent paint fading ..why would someone leave a tractor outside, I don't know, perhaps the tractor reaches a stage where the owner thinks it has no value anyway, or space to store it is taken up by higher priorities. In my travels across the Canadian west and the US it appears that tractors and combines are shut down at the end of the last round they made in the field and they sit there until spring, mind you the mid west and praries don't get the dampness and precipitation like we get in southern Ontario (where I live) and so outside storage is not considered abusive or irresponsible by the owners. Also large acreages have large equipment and machinery sheds would become a cost prohibitive factor for the farmer. I try to keep everything stored inside but I had to leave my haybine and siderake out this winter as I had no place to fit them, I will have for next winter. .....Mike in exeter Ontario

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JD-tractor

02-29-2004 09:56:04




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 Re: Out side or Barn kept ??? in reply to John, 02-29-2004 09:35:31  
John,maybe good maybe bad but I have a decent restored JD-B keep outside for everyone to enjoy,maybe foolish oh!well



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