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Super A-making hydraulics stronger-log splitter

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Don Green

03-07-2004 02:40:17




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I was looking at some specs.on the pump and it seems like it may be capeable of over 1500 psi.Can anything be done inside the hydraulic unit to give more psi to the lifting arms,like messing with a relief spring or something?I rigged a crane like setup on the back to move heavy junk laying around and it needs a bit more power.Also is it capable of running a log spliter with the stock pump.Can the pump be "worked out"?the engine is shurely big enough for the job.Are there any prouducts available to make tapping in to the pump easier?-don

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VAJerry

03-07-2004 05:14:43




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 Re: Super A-making hydraulics stronger-log splitte in reply to Don Green, 03-07-2004 02:40:17  
Hugh is right. I have a neighbor who has a log splitter with a 20gpm pto pump he runs with a H. Laughed when I borrowed it to run behind my Super A. I am now in the process of building a log spkitter kije it and he is in the process of looking for a Super A. I run it at 1/3rd throttle.



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Don Green

03-07-2004 05:44:19




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 Re: Re: Super A-making hydraulics stronger-log spl in reply to VAJerry, 03-07-2004 05:14:43  
I dont understand,does it work well on your tractor or his?Do you know the exact pump that bolts on the A?Is there a different housing i need for the back of the trans??confused-don



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VAJerry

03-07-2004 06:01:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Super A-making hydraulics stronger-log in reply to Don Green, 03-07-2004 05:44:19  
Works great!!! Pump slides on pto shaft. Northern tool has them.



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Hugh MacKay

03-07-2004 03:32:18




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 Re: Super A-making hydraulics stronger-log splitte in reply to Don Green, 03-07-2004 02:40:17  
Don: I doubt if you can make the Super A hydraulic system stronger or increase the psi. Even if you could I think it would be unwise as the components of the system would not stand up to the increase in presure.

For wood splitting you could mount a pump right on your pto or belt pulley. The Super A engine has the ability to run a lot heavier hydraulics than the factory system. My first thought would be go for the pto mounted pump for operating both wood splitter and your crane. In fact if you install the wood splitter on a trailer, you could have the crane on another trailer, or even both on same trailer. The reason I say trailer, is if you lift much more than you are front of tractor coming up will be next problem.

You can buy a part to take hydraulic power from your current system for remote cylinders. It is about 1/2" thick and bolts between touch control unit and piping from pump. You just hook a remote valve to that. I doubt if you get the kind of speed you want for a wood splitter. That little pump is only about 4 to 5 gal per min, so just think about that on a large cylinder. You get a 12 gallon pump for pto and SA will run wood splitter at idle.

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Don Green

03-07-2004 05:33:16




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 Re: Re: Super A-making hydraulics stronger-log spl in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-07-2004 03:32:18  
Thanks Hugh,i think the pto pump is the way to go and mount both on a trailer i have sittin in the weeds.My tractor has a V groove pulley that has a right side exit housing that bolted to the rear of the trans and has three shims and runs the IH mower deck.Many of the teeth on it are busted up i found when sealing the shims that were leaking but it still works.Under that setup is another shaft sticking out.It doesnt look like anything could bolt to it.Do you know where i could get a pump that mounts there that works with the tractor?Are shaft rpms a issue here?i would need a oil tank also right?thanks -man of many questions-don

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Andy Martin

03-07-2004 07:51:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Super A-making hydraulics stronger-log in reply to Don Green, 03-07-2004 05:33:16  
The v-groove pulley you are describing to drive your mower is on the belt pulley shaft.

The shaft that comes straight out of the back of the tractor is the PTO shaft they are referring to.

A PTO pump slides on to that shaft and is retained usually through the indention in the shaft or the through hole. Buy a PTO pump and things will start to fall into place.

And yes, you'll need a reservoir, valves, and hoses.

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Hugh MacKay

03-07-2004 06:07:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Super A-making hydraulics stronger-log in reply to Don Green, 03-07-2004 05:33:16  
Don: I am not a hydraulic expert, but having used a lot of hydraulic in my day, speed of the pump is definately a factor to consider. When you get into big tractors with 10 to 18 gpm pumps, you can notice big changes in speed of hydraulic function between idle and full throttle. I know a guy with a wood splitter and using tractor pump of 230 he had to run tractor at full throttle and the splitter was still quite slow. He added a pto pump and now he has all the speed he wants at half throttle.

While I say I'm not an expert, this hydraulic speed is not rocket science either. If you figure the bore size of your hydraulic cylinder, you can come up with the gallons or part thereof for a stroke of the cylinder. Pumps will give you a gpm rating based on a selected speed. Presure will slow this function only marginally. So do the numbers, find out your shaft speeds at the throttle speed and go from there. Most hydraulic shops can help you with this and even match up and sell you what you need. I would shy away from used pumps, unless it is awfully cheap. Even then you probably just get what you pay for. I had a hydraulic pump for a truck hoist given to me once, it was not cheap.

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