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Todd in Ohio

03-11-2004 18:11:03

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Well, I finally found myself a tractor, a 48 Super A. By the way, thanks to all of you for supplying me with more information than I could have ever learned anywhere else. This forum is priceless.
I am wanting to use my A to pull a small trailer for firewood, and I have found that even with the wheel weights and good tire on the back, the little tractor just doesn't seem to climb my hill very well. I would like to hang a front weight from the square hole on the steering box, I think it is for a cultivator. Is this the best place to put it? Everyone I have spoken to around here has advised against loading the tires. Wouldn't that help my traction? Do I have any other options? What have you tried?

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26Red

03-12-2004 14:08:55

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Re: Weight for a Super A in reply to Todd in Ohio, 03-11-2004 18:11:03

I have no experience on a A, but a on a H and 300. Liquid weight made all the difference in how the tractor performed. There is nothing unsafe about adding liquid weight, it is caustic to metal, so you'll want to stay on top of any leaks spring up or your rims will start to rust.

Otherwise you will need to load up on the metal weights. To me this is cumbersome, I'd rather at the calcium chloride to my tires. If you are still having traction problems, you could add a set of duals. Check out the lastest Red Power Mag. A collector has put triples on his Super A!

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Hugh MacKay

03-11-2004 20:11:05

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Re: Weight for a Super A in reply to Todd in Ohio, 03-11-2004 18:11:03

Todd: I don't know what you are trying to pull. A Super A will pull a higher percentage of it's own weight than most tractors ever built. You can use a flat bottom stone boat and a Super A will pull 3 times it's own weight. Very few 2 wheel drive farm tractors will do that. In fact the only other tractors I have ever seen do that are Farmall H and Cockshutt 30 and they didn't top the Super A.

Having said all of this, it is my opinion you are just expecting too much of the little tractor. I am not talking about modern day tractor pulls, but rather the little tractor starting away with full load and pulling it to the destination.

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Todd

03-12-2004 05:48:31

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Re: Re: Weight for a Super A in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-11-2004 20:11:05

Hugh, I had a feeling that you would weigh in on this. Thank you. What is a flat bottom stone boat? The trailer I am pulling is just a small 4x7 single axle. Maybe I would be ahead to build a platform?

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Hugh MacKay

03-12-2004 06:37:41

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Re: Re: Re: Weight for a Super A in reply to Todd, 03-12-2004 05:48:31

Todd: Wood is heavy frieght. Big item with a two wheeled trailer is get your load balanced right to give the ideal weight on drawbar for maximum pull, yet not go so heavy on drawbar as to lift front end of tractor. An ideal trailer for any tractor should have from 60% to 70% of deck between trailer axle and tractor. Notice I said deck, that doesn't include tongue. Unless you have 3 to 4 foot side boards the SA should handle 4x7 trailer just fine.

A flat bottom stone boat is just a flat bottom sled. Now days they build them out of peice of 4'x 8' steel about 3/8" to 1/2" thick, turn it up on the ends and stifen it with angle iron welded on side. The angle creates a bit of a side board. They pulled these with a chain. They don't really serve a useful function anymore. Old timers called them a stone boat as they could roll stones on board that they couldn't lift. I wouldn't recomend it for hauling wood.

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Todd still in Ohio

03-12-2004 09:04:46

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Weight for a Super A in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-12-2004 06:37:41

Thanks Hugh. What was your opinion of hanging a weight from the cultivator mount on the steering gear? Would help keep the front end down, and it looks to me like that would be the best place to mount front weight.

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Hugh MacKay

03-12-2004 15:11:12

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Weight for a Super A in reply to Todd still in Ohio, 03-12-2004 09:04:46

Todd: I actually have two pieces of 1/2" x 2" steel bar pinned into the two lugs on the back of the cultivator mount. They a joined together at bottom by 3" chanel. I have a brace going from the 3" chanel to two 5/8 threaded hole on the side of clutch housing. From the bottom I have two 3" chanels extending out in front of ty rods about 1'. Those chanels are joined at front by more 3" chanel. This frame extends under the axle about 4" below the axle. I use this as a bumper, place for mounting some vegetable equipment, putting on front end weights. I use a sprayer that weighs 800 lbs and if I'm on hilly ground I like a little weight out there. Right now I have that on my 140. My 130 is bit different as I use the push arms for my snow blade for adding weight also. I have an A frame out front and by pulling two pins I can drop the blade, and put other attachments including just front end weight. Blade makes good weight, but it always seems cumbersome.

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lee

03-11-2004 19:05:39

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Re: Weight for a Super A in reply to Todd in Ohio, 03-11-2004 18:11:03

Need more information. What type of trailer and how large? Single or dual axle? Does it exert tongue weight on your tractor drawbar or is it more like a wagon. How steep is your hill? How much wood are you hauling? I have a 6X10 dual axle dump trailer, weight about 2300 empty. 10,000 lb GVW. Now if I fill that even half full of woood I can't keep the front end on the ground even on a flat with a similar tractor. I wouldn't even think of climbing a hill. So there is only so much you can do with these tractors. My problem is essentially just too much weight altogether. I have plenty of traction what with cast rear wheel centers and the trailer tongue weight, she ain't spinning tires. I can just get around but just barely with the trailer pushing the tractor around. I don't generally haul that trailer with that tractor but that's the result if I do hook up in a pinch to move it around or whatever. Back to your problem, if you are spinning rear tires, weight the back. If the front is coming up, weight the front. There are limits. Once you get traction you will be lifting the front. If you only have steel rims on back you likely need rear wheel weight first.

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