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Help! 460 Hydraulic System Woes.

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Joe Evans

03-18-2004 15:05:35




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Finally addressed the forever lousy 460 hydraulic system performance today. Installed a rebuilt Cessna pump.

I was very concerned about the pump's intake system. Despite installing a new pump and putting to rest questions about pump output, I felt for sure there would be a problem with cavitation due to old O-rings inside the transmission and such.

Once I finally got the 460 to start (hasn't run since August) after installing the pump, it ran for about 5 seconds and then a horrible low-pitch squealing noise was heard. The 460 bogged down, and I immediately shut it off.

My first thoughts were that the pump drive got destroyed, but looking down at the fast-hitch I noticed it had raised up fairly high. Well, apparently the pump picked up prime and was moving oil which was a quantum leap over the totally shot (and I do mean TOTALLY) old pump. It had been so long since the drawbar was able to be raised that high, I figured the lift cylinder had topped out and the pump was up against the relief valve causing the nasty noise.

I then positioned the lever so that the hitch would be lowering when I started the 460 again. I started her again,and the hitch began moving downward with no noise until the cylinder bottomed out, making more noise with the tractor bogging down.

I raised the hitch--no noise until topping out. Well, you get the picture. I have to continually cycle the hitch up and down to avoid the noise and bogging the tractor. There is no "neutral" or hold position--the hitch must be kept moving. If I try to "hold" at a certain height, the noise returns. The noise sounds like a relief valve blowing off although it is a much lower note than other high-pitched reliefs I've been around. It's like a very fast--frequency chatter.

The 460's system never was 'right' all the time Dad had it. Most of the complaints were water in the system and lack of holding position. It's been eons since the 460's system has seen the pressures the newly installed pump seems to be delivering.

Sorry for the long ramble. Any suggestions?

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Aces

03-18-2004 17:04:28




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 Re: Help! 460 Hydraulic System Woes. in reply to Joe Evans, 03-18-2004 15:05:35  
Joe the Vet right about the linkage the first 460-560 had a cable which should have been replaced tearrs ago but the linkage needs to be free. I don't think the relieve valve is sticking, but the tractor has a load valve in the valve housing with relieve valve and if it is bad, ( pluged orifice, bad oring bad ball and seat bad piston) it will high pressure and that is what you discribe. The other thing that can cause this is the single-two way setting on the remote valves might not be set right. All you do is turn the shaft coming out of the 2 valves a little to go from single to two way. And yes the little gears in the hitch valve must be good.

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the tractor vet

03-18-2004 16:47:04




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 Re: Help! 460 Hydraulic System Woes. in reply to Joe Evans, 03-18-2004 15:05:35  
As i can not see your tractor i am assuming that all the linkage is in place for a fast hitch ????? on the left side of the tractor from the top of the left side arm there is linkage that goes up to the dash support and into the valve this linkage levels out the valve at the desired hight , now if the littel poll pin that is in the left lift arm is broken and the linkage is out of sink. then the valve will not shut off . Or if the littel gears in the valve are striped same thing happens . And the other thing that will cause the tractor to labor is that the pressue releif valve is sticking.

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Joe Evans

03-18-2004 19:30:54




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 Re: Re: Help! 460 Hydraulic System Woes. in reply to the tractor vet, 03-18-2004 16:47:04  
Although I haven't paid too much attention to the 'leveling-out' or control linkage up to this point, I will now. From what I can recall, all the parts are there, but they may not be agreeing with one another.

I was thinking that to compensate for a pump that was degrading over time and not delivering its design pressure, Dad may have adjusted (if this is at all possible) the relief valve, but seeing what I've just written, this doesn't make sense.

I will give the linkage and other items a good going over this weekend. Thanks for the input.

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