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paul

03-20-2004 09:24:28

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Need to dish the wheels in on my smta.Wondering if it would be safe to do this with rims and tires on the wheels with two men.Thinking about bolting 3/4 inch threded rod about 3 foot in legnth to wheel weight holes to add leverage for stability with weights off the rims.Has anyone done this before or is there to much weight to keep the tire,rim and wheel upright.Need to swap sides to keep tread in right direction.Paul.

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Brian

03-20-2004 12:36:43

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Re: dishing wheels in reply to paul, 03-20-2004 09:24:28

Reminds me of when my Dad would put the one row beet digger on the Super M every Fall. The Right Rear rim and tire would come off useing a block and tackle hooked to the roof of the shed. Lean it against the wall and then take the wheel off the axle and flip it so the dish was out useing the block and tackle again, then put the rim and tire back on so the tread was right. Left wheel was set at 33 inches from center and right wheel at 55 inches from center (I think my math is right, beets were 22 inch rows). Had to have the long axles to do this. Every now and then one would break from the weight of the beet digger hanging on one side, also hard on that axle bearing. Then he would set the wide front axle ahead so the digger would clear. One day to set the wheels and the next day to put the digger on. Dig 30 or so acres and go set all back like it was to do field work.

Brian

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Wayne Swenson

03-20-2004 18:57:36

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Re: Re: dishing wheels in reply to Brian, 03-20-2004 12:36:43

I helped do the very same thing on a 400. We had the short axles so the end of the R. axle was notched and a clamp-on extension was added to get the necessary length. As you said, it took some time to get the wheels spaced to harvest beets and re-set about a month and 30-35 acres later. 22" at a time took a while to go across the field but it surely beat hand topping!!
Today if 300-500 acres aren't harvested in 2 weeks the farmer is concerned!!

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Hugh MacKay

03-20-2004 12:13:37

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Re: dishing wheels in reply to paul, 03-20-2004 09:24:28

Paul: Go and rent or buy a pallet jack. Get two hardwood pallets. Drive tractor up on pallets in such a way your movement of the pallets with jack will be in straight line with axle. Attach a 4x6 block to pallet each side of tire. Using nylon tie down straps anchor the top of wheel both ways to the pallet. Jack the tractor, loosen the wheels and allow your wife the pleasure of operating the pallet jack. Make sure the floor area is clean and smooth. The moving will be that easy.

I have moved the entire front end, everything from clutch housing foreward including the axle of tractors from Super A to 560D this way. A neighbor and I moved 20.8x38 snap on duals this way. Inside ones were loaded. The 560D I did all by myself replaced the clutch and rolled it back together. The pallet jack will give you absolute control sliding wheel back on the axle.

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Puller504

03-20-2004 14:03:46

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Re: Re: dishing wheels in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-20-2004 12:13:37

There's an idea! I know to use the classifieds, BUT, I've inherited 3 pallet jacks that are in excellent shape if someone needs one. E-Mail me for details. Don

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Kelly C

03-20-2004 12:35:20

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Re: Re: dishing wheels in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-20-2004 12:13:37

D'oh!! I didnt even think about my pallet jack when I split my 400.
I picked one up last fall at a auction for $25.

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Hugh MacKay

03-20-2004 13:30:22

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Re: Re: Re: dishing wheels in reply to Kelly C, 03-20-2004 12:35:20

Kelly: Those work good especially giving you precission in putting heavy components back together. I did the 560D and wouldn't be afraid to tackle a 1066 that way. On the 300 once I had front end on one pallet, torque tube on another. You can roll the pieces anywhere in shop out of your way. On a narrow front just remove front wheels, thus enabling you to block right to chassis. Hook tie down ratchet straps or chain and bind anchoring to pallet. Now that I'm getting older I even have a device for mounting wheel weights, on pallet jack.

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49 Cubber!

03-20-2004 10:06:38

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Re: dishing wheels in reply to paul, 03-20-2004 09:24:28

If you are talking about just taking them off and turning them around,tire and all,your tires will be backwards.You will have to go side to side which means jacking up the entire rear of your tractor.Mioght be just as easy t otake of the tire and then the hub and then turn the hub and reinstall the tire.

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CNKS

03-20-2004 10:04:14

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Re: dishing wheels in reply to paul, 03-20-2004 09:24:28

I envision someone slipping and getting stabbed by the rod. This job has been done many times by two people. Don't get in a position where a wheel can fall on you. You helper will not be able to lift it off. It is safer with some sort of a hoist.

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Bob M

03-20-2004 09:56:08

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Re: dishing wheels in reply to paul, 03-20-2004 09:24:28

Paul - My son and I have did what you describe with loaded tires. So long as you keep the tire/wheel assembly vertical they can be handled by two guys without difficulty. We accomplished it without auxiliary threaded rod "handles" like you propose, though having them might have been helpful.

Tips:
- Attempt only on hard, level ground (slab or paved driveway).
- Jack and securely block both rear axles before starting.
- Allow plenty of work space on both sides and in back of the tractor.
- Have some plywood scraps of various thickness available to shim under the tires as needed.
- Wire brush/sand, then oil the outer ends of the axle shafts before starting.
- Most important: BE CAREFUL! Be prepared to jump out of the way should a tire start to go over.

Note it's easier - and much safer - to use a loader or backhoe and chain to handle the tires. If you have access to one, suggest you use it!

Good luck, and BE SAFE!

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farmallmaniac

03-20-2004 10:01:36

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Re: Re: dishing wheels in reply to Bob M, 03-20-2004 09:56:08

How heavey are they about? Would a 4100 jd with a FEL with a capacity of 600 pounds work?

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JDKIA

03-20-2004 13:35:34

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Re: Re: Re: dishing wheels in reply to farmallmaniac, 03-20-2004 10:01:36

Do you have a "410" loader on your 4100, and what model of tractor are the tire and rims on?

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farmallmaniac

03-20-2004 14:41:58

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Re: Re: Re: Re: dishing wheels in reply to JDKIA, 03-20-2004 13:35:34

yep the 410. 300

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JDKIA

03-21-2004 09:19:18

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: dishing wheels in reply to farmallmaniac, 03-20-2004 14:41:58

The 300 had 38in. rims (I think) my concern is if the 410 loader will lift high enough, if it was able to lift high enough you would likely risk have the tires swing back into the grill, if you have the optional grill gaurd this wouldn't be a problem, however I still question wether it (the loader) will lift high enough.

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Bob M

03-20-2004 10:09:26

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Re: Re: Re: dishing wheels in reply to farmallmaniac, 03-20-2004 10:01:36

A 600# capy FEL should pick a tire/wheel assembly, so long as the tire is unloaded and all weights have been removed. Loading adds 800# - 900# (or more) depending on tire size. Wheel weights add ~145# per weight.

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