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S designation on H and M tractors

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don

03-23-2004 16:15:00




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I would like to clear something up once and for all especially at tractor shows and such. according to all of my books IH only made super tractors from 1952 thru till the hundred series but I see a lot of people showing serial number plates with the S prefix ahead of M or H and we had a 51 M and it had a lot of feature that were a forerunner of the super that some of those tractors didn't have. I see alot of exhibitors that have Super stickers on their decals and it rubs me the wrong way. I see alot of the old seats and the old style front wheel castings. Help me out here.

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don

03-24-2004 18:41:19




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 Re: S designation on H and M tractors in reply to don, 03-23-2004 16:15:00  
Welll!!! there were certainly a lot of interesting comments about this subject. I really didn't get the answer I was looking for and that was a definitive answer on what the S ahead of M or H means on the serial tag but I do know that I've spent a lot of hours on all of the tractors mentioned including the 856 (personally I think the M was more exciting)until the 1066 & 1466 but anyway I for one can tell the difference between all of them with that said I agree the antique tractor clubs should dedicate themselves to perserving the heritage of the brand to protect both the exhibitor and the viewer and make antique tractor shows more interesting. Shoot if it's that easy I'll just go out and buy an old H for $600 put some paint on it and put M stickers on it after all how insulting would that be? I guess if it was easy anyone could do it, right? That's supposed to be what it's all about.

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Hugh MacKay

03-23-2004 22:11:41




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 Re: S designation on H and M tractors in reply to don, 03-23-2004 16:15:00  
Don: I notice a few people think there is nothing wrong with putting Super decals on non Super tractors. There is news for them, they have commited a fraud. How many people will look at that tractor and believe it is right. Probably no one will ever be charged with fraud over this, unless they happen to sell that tractor to some hot shot lawyer. Problem is it could be someone who had seen the show tractor, and performed this very innocently. In my opinion old iron shows should ban mislabeled tractors.

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Dave 2N

03-24-2004 07:35:29




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 Re: Re: S designation on H and M tractors in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-23-2004 22:11:41  
Guy over the hill in the next valley who dabbles in buying and selling tractors has a decaled "Super H" sitting in his yard for sale. So, I stop and look. (Now, I have a '53 Super H so I know the difference between an H and Super H.) First thing I notice from 50 feet is that it doesn't have disc brakes. Pull out my little trusty and battered serial number refernce guide that I always carry in the truck, check the serial number and guess what?? It's a '48 H.

He comes out and proceeds to extoll the virtues of this "Super H" over an ordinary H. I told him I wasn't interested; didn't even get to price. He belligierently asked why? I said it wasn't a Super H and showed him the serial number guide. He said the guide was probably wrong and told me to leave. This behaviaor told me a couple of things: 1) either he got stuck and bought it thinking it was a Super H or 2) he was dishonestly trying to sell it as a Super H.

My philosophy is keep them correct and original as possible. Yes, you can do whatever you want with your tractor, but would you tear the grille off a Ford F-150 and replace it with a grille from a Chevy Silverado? (Maybe that's a bad analogy--because some people probably would do that!!)

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Hugh MacKay

03-24-2004 11:31:36




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 Re: Re: Re: S designation on H and M tractors in reply to Dave 2N, 03-24-2004 07:35:29  
Dave: That is rather interesting as I drove about 200 miles once to see an advertised Super H. He did have a Super H serial mumber, and it had the Super H live hydraulics, however and I forgotten the exact details on this but his casting codes covered about 7 years. Rear end was H with band brakes. Front bolster was 1955. I told him he didn't not have a Super H but rather a Bas%^&d. In the end he ordered me off the property. There was another possible buyer, came along when I was talking to him. I noticed he left right behind me.

The seller was dealer to, not IH but Belarus. He told me he had known the Super H since his neighbor had bought it new. He said the owner was an 84 year old in a nursing home, and I shouldn't be degrading an old man's tractor.

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Chris Brown

03-23-2004 17:50:25




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 Re: S designation on H and M tractors in reply to don, 03-23-2004 16:15:00  
Just put you an 856 emblem before your M and make em all jealous.Call it an 856 minor"M" not a super "S"



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bigrerddm

03-23-2004 17:19:07




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 Re: S designation on H and M tractors in reply to don, 03-23-2004 16:15:00  
why does everything have to be "right"? can't it just be how the owner wants it to look. I have a 49 M and I put a super m,mta,300,400,450 emblem on top on the grill cause I liked the it looked compared to the Farmall emblem. Everything doesn't have to be "right"!!!!! !



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49 Cubber!

03-23-2004 17:13:54




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 Re: S designation on H and M tractors in reply to don, 03-23-2004 16:15:00  
Im not sure what your complaining about here,or are you?If the plate reads SM or SH and its original to the tractor,then its a Super M or Super H.Its not that uncommon to find older parts on the newer tractors,but as far as the seat goes,which one are you refering to being different.Most,if not all the Supers,at least the early one have the same seat assembly as my 41.My 44 H has the same one as well as my 51 M.Dont know if its "original" or not and I really dont care.However,it does 'rub me wrng" as well when I see regualr Ms and Hs and whatevers labeled as Supers,but hey,it aint my tractor!

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Buzzman72

03-24-2004 05:23:53




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 Re: Re: S designation on H and M tractors in reply to 49 Cubber!, 03-23-2004 17:13:54  
Here's my opinion...and opinions are like earlobes: everybody has 'em, but they only mean what you allow 'em to mean.

If it's YOUR tractor, and you have NO intentions of selling it--EVER--then go ahead and decal and emblem it whatever way makes you happy. But if you intend to SELL it some day, make DARN sure that when you sell it, it's exactly what you say it is. That way, nobody gets "taken" just because they didn't know any better, and ther are no hard feelings...or at least none on THIS issue.

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