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300 Electrical Problem

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Dave K

03-27-2004 12:04:57




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The starter on my 300 was barely turning the engine last fall when I quit using it for the winter. Now it does nothing, not even a click. After noting this,I checked the current to the large lug on the right side of the selenoid and found I have 8v to that point(I've been told that the 8v battery does no harm). I had the starter checked and found it to be tired and I had it rebuilt. Still nothing. I'm thinking the problem is probably in the starter switch. Is there a way to jump around the switch to check this out. Any and all suggestions will be appreciated. I assume that the small wire hooking to the large lug on the right and the small wire hooking to the small lug on the left side of the selenoid have something to do with the switch.
Dave K, MT

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Mark Witt

03-29-2004 10:46:38




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 Re: 300 Electrical Problem in reply to Dave K, 03-27-2004 12:04:57  
Dave:

By "starter switch", I assume you mean the solenoid with the + cable from the battery going into one side and the cable to the starter coming out the other side, and each cable attached with a terminal, stud, and nut.

If that's the case, the most common way I've seen these bypassed is with a pair of pliers. Or you can use jumper cables instead.

- Turn off the ignition switch. - Disconnect the coil wire. - Put the transmission in neutral. - Set the brakes. - Leave the spark plugs in to give the battery and starter motor a realistic challenge. - Open the pliers until the handles are far enough apart to span both battery cable terminals on the solenoid. - (Did I mention turning off the ignition switch, disconnecting the coil wire, taking the tractor out of gear, and setting the brakes?) - Press the plier handles to the terminals so current passes directly from the + battery cable through the pliers to the starter cable.

Now the switch is bypassed.

No activity (or slow starter motor)? Check the battery, starter, and cables.

If the starter works fine, put the pliers away and actuate the starter switch (with the tractor still disabled). If the starter doesn't move and you don't hear a click from the solenoid, then either the solenoid isn't working or it's not getting a signal. Pull one of the small wires off the solenoid (or maybe there's only one, I don't remember). With the starter switch not actuated, the wire should have 0 volts. With the starter switch actuated, the wire should have (in your case) 8 volts. If not, you're not getting the right signal from the starter switch. If the signal is good AND it's attached to the correct termial on the solenoid, and the solenod's not clicking, then the solenoid is bad.

I doubt you have a bad solenoid. In my experience the solenoid either works great or not at all, so the slow cranking you described would not apply here. Maybe other contributors have had diffeent experiences, though.

Another thing that can cause problems with starters is that they can sometimes bind if you install them just a hair off from where they "want" to be. Again, I don't think this is your problem, but if you've had the starter off you may want to loosen it just a little and re-tighten it.

You can measure 8 volts somewhere, but you still may not have meaningful current available. If you have a problem like a rusty, dirty, or loose cable connection (on the ground side or the non-ground side), it can pass a few milliamps or even microamps -- enough to make your voltmeter happy. It won't do a thing for your current-hungry starter, though. Make sure BOTH ends of all your cables (battery +, battery -, and starter) are clean and tight.

Good luck. Let us know how it turns out.

Mark W.

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Dave K

03-31-2004 21:35:06




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 Re: Re: 300 Electrical Problem in reply to Mark Witt, 03-29-2004 10:46:38  
Mark:
Many thanks for your very informative reply. By starter switch, I was referring to the key switch which one normally turns to start the engine. It is attached to the small terminal on the top of the solenoid. I have tried every thing you have mentioned to no avail. I have pretty much ruled out a faulty solenoid by taking the starter back to the rebuilder who showed me that it works. I question my ground from the battery terminal, but I still had no luck when I grounded it with a jumper cable from the positive terminal to the block. I am now of the opinion that the answer is covered in your last paragraph. Maybe my 8 volts reading belies the fact that I don't have much in the way of amps. I just thought I would still get a click from the solenoid. My next effort will be to try to get some diagnostic help by running a jump from my always trusty starting JD MT.

I have taken all the precautions you mentioned except for removing the coil wire; why is this neccessary?. Your input is greatly appreciated
Dave K.
Laurel, MT

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r4etired

03-27-2004 16:06:39




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 Re: 300 Electrical Problem in reply to Dave K, 03-27-2004 12:04:57  
If you have 8 volts at the starter you should have 8 volts in the small terminal that operates the solenoid when the starter button is pushed.Check this . If you have 6 volts going to solenoid that will operate the magnet in the solenoid. You should here it click. I recomend turn on your lites press the starter,if lites go dim, it's either battery or connections or dragging starter



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