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Non-running Super C is really a C (pics)

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Jim.UT

03-31-2004 08:02:36

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I went to look at this $500 "Super C" that my friend wants to sell for his dad. I went armed with some serial number info. I discovered that it is really a 1950 C, not a Super C. third party image

It was late in the afternoon so the sun was low in the west resulting in crummy photos, but you sorta get the idea. third party image

It has all sorts of new tune up parts just installed because they were sure they would be able to get it started. But the engine is stuck. I talked to the owner. He says it's been stuck before, but he's always been able to free it up by pulling it on the road with all the plugs out. It didn't sound like a gentle way to unstick an engine to me, but it's his tractor. This time he said it had sat for a couple of years while he went through some serious health problems. I suspect it didn't have a raincap on the exhaust and he probably didn't feel up to going out to keep it covered.
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My questions:
Would you spend $500 on this?
What's the difference between a C and a Super C?
How tough is it to rebuild a C engine?
Worse came to worse, what would I expect to get for this machine by parting it out?

Thanks!

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Farmallkid

03-31-2004 15:24:22

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Re: Non-running Super C is really a C (pics) in reply to Jim.UT, 03-31-2004 08:02:36

bet it would sound sweet with that cherry bomb on it!

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Steve W (NY)

03-31-2004 12:37:15

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Re: Non-running Super C is really a C (pics) in reply to Jim.UT, 03-31-2004 08:02:36

Hey Jim....I recognize your name from the N board. I am new to this Farmall thing as well, and these red guys are pretty helpful. I am restoring a BN right now. I'll probably use it to haul firewood using the wagon I pull behind my 2N now. Here they both are. At the time I did the N, I needed her to get to work, so I call my work a refurbisment. As near to original as time and money would allow. But the BN, because I am in no hurry, is getting a more original going over. She probably won't be used much, but I've already become fond of her. Next one is gonna be an AC, and I may even get a green one at some point. I like em all.

Take Care
Steve

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03-31-2004 09:46:56

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Re: Non-running Super C is really a C (pics) in reply to Jim.UT, 03-31-2004 08:02:36

...also,some of the castings on a SUPER C are heavier,and the super c usually has a bigger steering wheel

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Gary_N_WV

03-31-2004 09:26:18

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Re: Non-running Super C is really a C (pics) in reply to Jim.UT, 03-31-2004 08:02:36

Jim, If you look up Brian's Farmalls on the net, you can find out a little info on the C and Super C and other Farmalls.
A couple of other things I didn't mention about the difference between a C and a Super C that I thought of are the shape of the brake pedals and also the Super has a taller radiator and holds a little more coolant.
Not a whole lot of difference between the 2.....most parts interchange.

and....I won't say it's informative, but I have a little info on my site.

Click here

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Jim.UT

03-31-2004 10:49:26

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Re: Re: Non-running Super C is really a C (pics) in reply to Gary_N_WV, 03-31-2004 09:26:18

Kawliga! Cool! Hank would be so pleased....

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Dale in Ar.

03-31-2004 09:24:12

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Re: Non-running Super C is really a C (pics) in reply to Jim.UT, 03-31-2004 08:02:36

The "C" and Super "C" are basicly the same as far as size and looks go.The Super"C" has a 123 ci motor where as the "C" has a 113 ci and about 3 hp. difference.The Super"C" has a water pump and thermostat where as the "C" uses thermo-siphoning(I thing that is what it is called,anyway hot water rises to the top of the motor from the bottom and circulates through the radiator,top to bottom).The tin on the Super"C" is taller at the radiator,15 inches to 18 inches.Brake pedal arms are different,Super"C" has curved arms where as the"C" has straight arms.That is about all there is in differance as far as I know,I has a Super"C" and I like it,just need to paint it to complete my restoration.Go for the "C" ,you won't be sorry.

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Kenneth Fass

03-31-2004 10:42:52

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Re: Re: Non-running Super C is really a C (pics) in reply to Dale in Ar., 03-31-2004 09:24:12

I agree!

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Gary_N_WV

03-31-2004 09:08:01

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Re: Non-running Super C is really a C (pics) in reply to Jim.UT, 03-31-2004 08:02:36

Jim, The C has a 113 cu in engine...the super a 123
C has no water pump, the Super does
C has band brakes, super has disc brakes.

Super's grill is about 1 1/2 inch taller.

If you rebuild the engine, you can put the larger pistons in to make it the same as a Super.

There are some transition features like the disc brakes that you might find on the C or the larger engine.

Gary

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Jim.UT

03-31-2004 09:00:50

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Re: Non-running Super C is really a C (pics) in reply to Jim.UT, 03-31-2004 08:02:36

Thanks for the comments. I still am looking for someone to tell me the difference between a C and a Super C. I'm pretty new to Farmalls. I could tell you all kinds of trivia about Fords from '39 to '62 but I need more direction on Farmall. Maybe there's a really good informative website someone could point me to. Thanks.

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TimV

03-31-2004 08:52:46

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Re: Non-running Super C is really a C (pics) in reply to Jim.UT, 03-31-2004 08:02:36

Jim: It's easily worth $500. I bought a stuck Super C this winter, and had it freed up in a couple of days. Assuming it's lightly stuck, filling the cylinders with your favorite concoction (diesel, Marvel Mystery Oil, PB Blaster, ATF, or turpentine are all popular), putting it in 4th gear, and gently rocking it should break it loose. If it's more serious (as mine was) you can pull the head in less than an hour and tap the pistons free with a block of wood and a BFH. The C is an excellent tractor--not too large, not too small--and I'd grab it in a heartbeat!

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ny bill

03-31-2004 16:50:10

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Re: Re: Non-running Super C is really a C (pics) in reply to TimV, 03-31-2004 08:52:46

to expand on tim v's soup recipe; i had an A that was stuck, mixed mm oil, brake fliud, and pb blaster into the cylinders. then took a spark plug, knocked the guts out, and threaded an air chuck into the plug base. loosen the rocker arm assy so all valves are shut, and put some air into each cylinder. a couple applications of air and the A was free. wear goggles when doing it. its definitely worth $500 as is.

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Gary_N_WV

03-31-2004 08:42:23

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Re: Non-running Super C is really a C (pics) in reply to Jim.UT, 03-31-2004 08:02:36

Jim, If you have some mechanical knowledge and abilities the engines aren't hard to overhaul at all.
As complete as it appears to be from your pictures, I wouldn't hesitate a minute to buy it if I wanted it.
As someone mentioned, it's about $400. for a rebuild kit from NAPA.

What is the serial # ? (if you have it)
My C is serial # 66446

Gary

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Jim.UT

03-31-2004 08:58:00

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Re: Re: Non-running Super C is really a C (pics) in reply to Gary_N_WV, 03-31-2004 08:42:23

This one is close to yours. SN is 65529. Less than 1000 units apart. I see that 1950 sn starts with 47010 and 1951 starts with 71880. That's just under 25,000 for the year or just under 2100 per month assuming level production rate.

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John in NE

03-31-2004 08:21:47

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Re: Non-running Super C is really a C (pics) in reply to Jim.UT, 03-31-2004 08:02:36

I gave $250.00 for mine and it wasn't nearly that good.I got a complete overhaul kit for mine at NAPA for under $400.00.Looks like a great project,Go for it. John

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jal-SD

03-31-2004 08:11:59

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Re: Non-running Super C is really a C (pics) in reply to Jim.UT, 03-31-2004 08:02:36

Not too bad of a looking C, given that its 54 years old. It looks like its all there & thats a +. I'd give him $500 for it in a heartbeat if it wasn't so far away. I don't see how you could go wrong, especially if the plow goes with it. Compeletly overhaul it & run it for another 50 years. (My $0.02 worth. jal-SD)

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