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IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike

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Mike

04-06-2004 22:45:50




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I need the straight facts. Would IH have survived had the 172 day UAW strike in '79-'80 not occurred? Granted the farm economy would soon bottom out, but as diversified as they were, wouldn't they have been able to stay afloat?




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JC

04-08-2004 22:17:13




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 Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Mike, 04-06-2004 22:45:50  
All of the posts below get into great depth on this issue. I just have a observation.
I own all of my grandfathers machinery, and some of my great grandfathers machinery.
Every piece, plows, discs, cultivators, rakes, harrows, cream seperater, mowers and hay wagons were all IHC.
My father started buying machinery when he took over the farm in the late 1940's. Not one of his purchaces was IH.
By the time I was old enough to start work in the fields in the late 1960's and early 70's, not one piece of IH gear was used.
All John Deere, Ford and New Holland.
It sounds like this must have been fairly common on most farms in my area. It seems that IH started taking a down turn in the 1950's.
By the way, I am having a blast restoring all the old IH equipment. Some of it is 80 years old.
I am getting it all field ready and painted and as I get each piece finished, I go out and work with it a bit. Call me crazy, but it is a neat feeling working that old equipment on the old family farm..... .

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Al

04-07-2004 10:38:17




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 Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Mike, 04-06-2004 22:45:50  
In my opinion after reading A Corporate Tragedy, if you want to trace the demise of IH back to the beginning, you would have to go back to Fowler McCormick and JL McCaffrey. Fowler had grand plans for the company to be leaders in trucks, construction, refrigeration, and farm equipment. Problem was he didn't spend enough time at headquarters in Chicago, and McCaffrey took control of the board in 51 or so. Only thing McCaffrey understood was sales. That is why there were dozens of variations of truck models, etc. etc. They rushed the 460 and 560 to production to make sales. And they sunk zillions in construction equipment in an attempt to take over Cat. They tried too hard to be "all things to all people."

Ultimately I don't think it was IH products that killed the company, it was management, or lack thereof! Deere wanted to license the Fast Hitch from IH, IH said no so Deere got the three point hitch instead. Had IH let Deere have it, I would bet it would be the standard today. And I say that, not being an overwhelming fan of Fast Hitch. IH fixed the cavitation problem on the 300-400 series engines with the water filter kit. People make such a big deal over the 50 series, and it was the best tractor line of the time, but it should have been introduced in at least 1976 and maybe sooner but IH simply didn't have the money to get it off the drawingboard. As it was nobody could afford to buy one. IF IH could have been doing everything else right, management-wise, they could have built the 1086 until 1988 if they wanted to and still survived. IH should have stayed out of construction altogether, and got out of refrigeration sooner. That would have freed up so much operating capital to improve farm equipment. I think you could make a case for IH getting out of the truck business alltogether as well. Truck ate up a lot of resources IH could have used to advance the farm equipment side. It was almost like two separate companies, competing for resources.

Back to your original question: as to the strike, I don't have any sympathy for the IH employees that lost their jobs. That strike was about union greed, pure and simple. All those guys had to do was read an annual report from IH, Deere, and Cat and they would have seen IH was non-competetive and needed to gets its house in order. Instead they struck over mandatory overtime. OVERTIME!! I could see it if IH was trying to cut their pay, but as it was it was a rediculous issue. I am not sure IH could have survived without the strike, but it was I believe the last nail in the coffin. Once IH sold off ag, they began to recover pretty quickly. Maybe if the strike hadn't ruined management's "feel" on what the market was doing they could have made the necessary changes. The big losers in the strike were IH's customers. IH lost a lot of heavy truck business to fleet buyers during the strike. And I remember first-hand as a kid not being able to even get parts for our IH equipment.

AS to McCardell, I think he was a victim of circumstance. Had the economy not tanked, I think he was on the right track. It is a shame IH couldn't have lured Lee Iococca over, history might have been re-written. But again whoever had come in in 77-78 (I forget the exact year?) was basically charged with trying to save a sinking ship.

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Al

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dhermesc

04-07-2004 11:16:02




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 Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Al, 04-07-2004 10:38:17  
You forgot one of the biggest beasts they where feeding, the small steel mill they purchased back in the mid to late 60s. The enormous amounts of cash it ate for equipment upgrades and pension funding made sure it never turned a dime of profit and only added to their manufacturing costs. In the late 70s they couldn't even give the place away and literally paid the mill's management to take the operation off their hands (through a ESOP and complicated loan from IH) Later IH was sued by the union when the new owners went bankrupt. That little excursion into the steel industry costed IH BILLIONS in the end.

It made their freezer and AC business look like a cheap hobby in comparison.

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Guy Fay

04-07-2004 11:54:31




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 Re: Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to dhermesc, 04-07-2004 11:16:02  
Ummm.... actually, IH owned the steel mill starting in 1902 with the formation of the company. The mill saved their butts on several occaisions- WW1, WW2, Korea, and some steel strikes. However, times changed.



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NDS

04-07-2004 08:14:41




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 Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Mike, 04-06-2004 22:45:50  
This may be slightly off subject but on recent trip through AL, AR, MS cotton country saw lots of newer red tractors Case/IH or Case New Holland. Allmost as many new red tractors as green tractors in some areas.This was on large farms that buy 3 or 4 new tractors at one time so numbers can add up fast. These may not be true IH but at least they have some connection and are not Green.



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Matt K.

04-07-2004 06:52:08




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 Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Mike, 04-06-2004 22:45:50  
As long as you guys are on this subject,what
was the reason that IH went with the fast-hitch,
and stuck with it as long as they did?
It was apparent that the 3pt.was the industry
standard,or well on it's way.



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Hugh MacKay

04-07-2004 07:32:34




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 Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Matt K., 04-07-2004 06:52:08  
Matt: My take on this one is IH were clearly ahead of their time. They were going to cram down our throats what they wanted us to have. The industry clearly all do this today. Ag dealers, car dealers, appliance dealers, furniture dealers, etc. you name it.

Look at the auto industry, they were going to cram front drive cars down our throats. North Americans moved on mass to pickup trucks. Now you can't buy a 1/2 ton anymore capable of hauling a ton. Heck, my dad used to haul a ton of feed home from the feed store on the fins on the 1959 Chevy Impalla.

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Wardner

04-07-2004 09:25:05




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 Re: Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-07-2004 07:32:34  
That brings back memories of hauling feed bags on the rear fender of my Superglide Hawg. The sidecar would hold three bags with the seat out.



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Dick

04-07-2004 06:12:24




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 Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Mike, 04-06-2004 22:45:50  
A big factor was Deere's design superiority beginning with the 3010/4010 series in 1959. At that point, Deere leapfrogged IH. When Deere came out with the 3020/4020 with Powershift in 1963, they really left IH in the dust. From that point on, IH tractors got worse while Deere got better. I had the misfortune of running 464, 656, 856, 966, and 1466 in the 1970's along with a 4020 and a 4620. The Deere tractors were much better designed and much easier to drive.

The old H and M Farmalls were great tractors, but IH lost it in the 1950's.

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Red Dave

04-07-2004 05:23:08




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 Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Mike, 04-06-2004 22:45:50  
It may have helped some, but there was no one single factor that put IH under. Labor trouble was only one of them.
The high interest rates of the late '70's & early '80's made it hard to finance new equipment, low commodity prices, at least partly caused by Carter stopping grain shipments to Russia, put the squeeze on farmers, the overall economy was down too. And then there was the famously clueless IH management too.
There is a book called "A Corporate Tragedy" by Barbara Marsh that spells it out pretty well.

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Hugh MacKay

04-07-2004 07:37:55




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 Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Red Dave, 04-07-2004 05:23:08  
Dave: I bought the book a corperate tragety, I haven't read it yet. My son read it, and his comment," Dad you don't need to read the book, you could have written it without research."



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Hugh MacKay

04-07-2004 04:14:49




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 Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Mike, 04-06-2004 22:45:50  
Mike: I doubt it, by 1979-80 they had been out of touch with their customers for 25 years. In the 1950s customers left IH in droves over the fast hitch issue. I can count 8 out of 10 neighbors, former C, H and M customers switching because of not wanting to be forced into where they traded over mounted implements. Clearly Harry Ferguson had won the hitch war before IH sold their very first fast hitch on a Super C in 1952. For 10 years they flogged fast hitch.

Then came the 560 transmission- rear end problems. Fooling with glow plugs.

56 series tractors did redeem them a bit. Then Cavitation of wet sleeves in 66 series tractors. Every manufacturer had the problem, IH chose to do nothing about it.

886 with the 358 German diesel was the final straw in my area. Dairy farmers had bought 766 and early 886 with the American 360 diesel for use on forage harvesters. What a disappointment to the farmer who went to see his neighbors 360 cutting silage then buying a later 886. After that one that area went as green as they get, hasn't even been a CaseIH dealer there for close to 10 years now. John Deere dealer shipped all those 886s to upstate NY.

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Bob

04-07-2004 07:58:08




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 Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-07-2004 04:14:49  
Hugh,

I'm not sure what you're getting at with the 886. Were they underpowered, or not reliable?

I don't recall there being any in my area, and I'm curious.



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dhermesc

04-07-2004 08:36:26




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 Re: Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Bob, 04-07-2004 07:58:08  
I actually thought our 1979 886 was about as durable and useful as any tractor we ever owned. It was sold in 2002 with well over 22,000 (25,000?) hours on it, with overhauls performed at approx 10K and 20K hours. If you expected it to be a lite 1086 you where going to be dissappointed, but the German diesel it was good on power and a real fuel miser.



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Hugh MacKay

04-07-2004 08:32:23




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 Re: Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Bob, 04-07-2004 07:58:08  
Bob: The 766 and early 886 had the 360 cubic inch American diesel while later 886 had 358 cubic inch German diesel. Our dealer sold a wack of these to 50-70 cow dairy guys for use on forage harvesters. The German engine was a big disappointment on torque, just didn't have the staying power on a forage harvester. He had probably sold more of these than any other single model since the Supers A, C, or H

I don't know how familiar you are with forage harvesters but often by the time you pull back the TA the load was already in there. It took torque and lots of it to carry you through. It was quite different from plowing or disking, whereby when the load hit you hit thr TA.

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Joe Evans

04-07-2004 05:50:10




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 Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-07-2004 04:14:49  
Hugh: while I agree with almost everything said, would you not agree that it wasn't the -56 series that saved IH's bacon for a while, but the -06 series followed by the -56 series that really did it? The -06swere fine machines in my estimation, or were they not as good as I think they were?



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dhermesc

04-07-2004 07:08:22




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 Re: Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Joe Evans, 04-07-2004 05:50:10  
Actually the strike came at the perfect time - IH had built up inventories in anticipation of it and was in a pretty good position in late 1978 to mid 1979. If ever there was a time to get their wage structure back in line it was then. Also if there was ever a time to shut down production in a farm equipment plant it was 1980-81.

Manangement screwed up three ways during and after the strike. First they should have used the down time as the oppurtune time to retool and introduce the 88 series - should never have continued the 86 series after the strike. They could have opened 1981 or 1982 with a brand new tractor with all the time they needed to make sure it came out as a quality product instead of the usual first year glitches most new products suffer.

Second, they lost their nerve and gave in to the union instead of extracting the consessions IH needed to be competitive. Management thought the strike had gone on too long - when in actually they could have waited another year or two easily. Once the recession kicked in and the IH employees saw their brethen being laid off at Deere, Ford, Chrysler, and GM the idea of manditory overtime would have been welcome.

Third, when they fired up the plants they ran overtime to acheive maximum production levels in attempt to build inventories for what management predicted would be banner years. Apparently they didn't consider the fact that a grain embargo and 20%+ interest was devastating the the farmers they hoped to sell to. They went into the worst farm economy ever (including the depression) with their inventories maxed out and no money in the bank. IH could have shut down production till 1981 and been in better financial shape then most farm product manufacturers including John Deere.

In 1981 you could buy NEW 1979 IH tractors and this was after IH had discounted them to the point that they where even the price range of farmers in Mexico. It is still shocking to see how many 86 series tractors are South of the border.

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Hugh MacKay

04-07-2004 06:51:54




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 Re: Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Joe Evans, 04-07-2004 05:50:10  
Joe: Oh yes I agree with you 100% on that. I tend to forget 06 tractors as my only exposure was 504 and I didn't acquire that until 72 with a farm.



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Buzzman72

04-07-2004 05:17:24




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 Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-07-2004 04:14:49  
Hugh, I second your assessment of IH's fate...by '79-'80, the damage had been done. While at 49 I'm not old enough to have been a witness to all their miscalculations, Dad and Grand-dad always said that the 300/400 series tractors were the beginning of the end for them. Fast hitch vs. 3-point was a lot of it; add in the TA that not many understood, and IH's conversion diesels, and there was a he11 of a lot for farmers to be scared of on these tractors. And since a lot of dealers really didn't understand these systems any better than the farmers who were looking at them, the net result was to either (a) sell a lot of green tractors, or (b) sell a 300 or 400, let the farmer get good and p.o.'d when he was looking at a couple of grand to rebuild a TA, and THEN have him buy a green tractor. Attaching sheet metal with cage nuts that were always breaking loose-held by phillips-head screws to boot, which were prone to rust-- was another genius move by IH, and it only added to the general aggravation factor.

How' bout it, Hugh...any of this sound familiar to you?

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Hugh MacKay

04-07-2004 06:48:07




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 Re: Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Buzzman72, 04-07-2004 05:17:24  
Buzzman: I remember one guy with a Farmall 300, got so fed up with those screws and hood vibration, that each time he installed the hood panels, he spot welded them. Removal each time was a torch job.

IH could have pumped a lot more dollars into improving both IPTO and TA. Imagine 25 years later the 686 still free wheeled on low side. IPTO wasn't anything to write home about until 06 and 56 series tractors. I personally didn't mind glow plugs that much as the only diesels I had been around up until then were pup starts. However guys new to diesel at that time did not have the patience for glow plugs.

The hitch again didn't affect me personally as dad had been a strong trailer plow guy. We had no mounted equipment. However I could see neighbors moving away from IH in droves over this. When your neighbors move in droves it affects the finincial well being of the dealer. Again I missed the 560 fiasco, mine being a 63. 656D gave me new hope IH was catching on, only to be douped by cavitation on the 1066. Dealer told on that 886 German diesel issue he may as well closed the door. That whole area is as green and blue as it could get today. There hasn't even been a CaseIH dealer for close to 10 years now.

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Redfan

04-07-2004 05:12:34




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 Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-07-2004 04:14:49  
Yeah, I would go along with that Hugh.
Another thing we noticed in Australia, was IH seemed to be short on funds to do the things most farmers thought needed doing. Have read many times that the amount of money poured into earthmoving equipment research left very little for the Ag division. I wonder if some of that money could have improved the Ag. division immeasurably and made it what it could have been? We'll never know.

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Paul in Mich

04-07-2004 05:29:50




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 Re: Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strike in reply to Redfan, 04-07-2004 05:12:34  
Fellas, Lets also not forget how IH bullied a lot of their loyal delerships to handle a lot of their construction equipment, thus tieing up floor plan money that compromised the dealers ability to carry enough ag equipment at strategic times. I heard the horror stories of how farmers had to wait for a combine from IH while at the same time could have a green one delivered to the field the same day. Although that may not have had the impact on large dealerships, which in many cases were company owned, it certainly did in the smaller close market areas, which was the core of customer loyalty. Needless to say, IH's demise was the result of a multitude of corporate blunders which is what happens when bean counters control an orginization.

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Hugh MacKay

04-07-2004 07:19:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's strik in reply to Paul in Mich, 04-07-2004 05:29:50  
Paul: That construction issue was exact oposite in Nova Scotia where I grew up. They had a strong Construction and truck dealer that seemed to know every time the ag dealer sold a rubber gromet for a const machine and he squaked about it.

The IH ag dealer in 1950 at Truro, NS probably had 80% of the ag market in the area. Car dealers were selling a few Fords. Cockshutt, Massey and Oliver had few farmer dealers. And the Deere dealer was a machine shop specializing in sawmill fabrication. How could it happen, when I left there green and blue were the only real factor and CaseIH dealer was gone. A family dealership that had been in business for close to 75 years gone. The Aggco dealer was selling IH parts only, as near as I could tell.

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Jared in VT

04-07-2004 19:30:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell's s in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-07-2004 07:19:05  
Hugh, I don't understand the Fast Hitch issue. The patient was off the 3pth in 1953. So are you saying that IH should have simply latched on to it as their standard, and avoided the whole Fast Hitch issue? Also, please comment on IH's rejection of JD's desire to lisence the Fast Hitch. I've got to say that once a 3pth implement is mounted it's pretty cool, but getting that implement on and off is very wacky. Mounted plows for example. As for the Fast Hitch itself, it looks like such a great idea; back-in, snap-in and go. Ferguson was a genius, but I believe it is underdeveloped, and that there is more to do beyond just moving the operators seat out of the way. Is this hitch thing frozen in time, or is my brain frozen. (24 degree's here yesterday and still making sugar) Thanks for the lesson! Jared

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Hugh MacKay

04-08-2004 03:41:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH's demise. . . McCardell in reply to Jared in VT, 04-07-2004 19:30:12  
Jared: It really isn't a question of which hitch is better. IH was odd man in the issuse and farmers were deciding to go with the standard. Farmer were not going to find themselves forced into a situation whereby they couldn't shop around for a tractor without trading all the implements.

Maybe they should have accepted the deal with Deere. In my opinion the modern day 3 point hitch on large tractors incorperates as much of IH's fast hitch principles as it does Ferguson's 3 point. Lower link sencing evolved from fast hitch. That one was clearly IH's baby. The telescoping lower link which is a great assist in hitching clearly comes from fast hitch. Many of the larger implements have become semi-mounted so lower links are all that matters anyhow. In essence most tractors over 60 hp today are using what is actually a lot closer relative of fast hitch that it is 3 point.

Had Deere and IH gotten together on that one, yes they would have had quite an impact. Lets face it in 1955 across North America, Deere and IH probably shared 80% of the ag market and quite equally I might add. That old saying," No man can be an island onto himself," was never more true.

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